Who is the King of Apostates ? (page 4)

Vicki Boer (survivor who took the WTS to court for a landmark case)
Berri Girls (survivors who appeared in a documentary)
Erika (survivor who appeared in a documentary)
Donald D’Haene (survivor, author: Father's Touch + short movie)
Bill Bowen (whistleblower)
Barbara Anderson (whistleblower)
Kimberlee Norris (lawyer fighting for victims)
many many survivors who have posted their stories here in the hopes that it will help others

The reality is that no one person is ever going to bring down the WTS. Every person, EVERY single one that speaks out to tell the real truth about the WTS is a part of the process of spreading real thuth - not the WTS' brand of it.

When we think of most of the great changes that occur in society it is almpst always the drip drip drip that finally erodes the foundation of the structure. Each one builds on what has come before.

In the early days people like Jonsson, AlanF, Farkel, Jan H, and many others started the great work of dissecting WT doctrine. They did their job well because it is out there, in bookstores, on the internet, in many libraries around the world.

Then I think the focus changed to rescue and deprogramming. Randy, Reed Jan G, focussed on rescuing people from the WTS. Getting people "out" and helping them was important. Through this much info concerning mind control, manipulation, cults laid the basics for what we understand now about how the WTS recruits and maintains control over the membership.

After that I think we have come to the time of "issues"

sexual abuse,
blood,
shunning,
custody,
lack of love

and another group of issues surrounding the WTS hypocracy

UN
RandCam
PhillipMorris
Mexico/Malawi
Hitler
Rutherford, Russell, and some new info coming in about other presidents
homosexuality, pedophilia and alcoholism in Bethel

I think it will be interesting to see how all this information is impacting the WTS. We know membership is going down. New recruits are harder to get in many countries. And that means less $$$$. And with a rash of new court cases soon to come it should be interesting times.

RR

I would say either Ray Franz, Randall Waters, Danny Hasgard (sorry for the bad spelling dude) or Satan.

Satan? Now that's silly. The Watchtower works for Satan, how can Satan's house be divided?

TresHappy

Joan and the late Bill Cetnar...they really got the ball rolling back in the 70's...

uninformed

Lady Lee, home run!!!!

Let me get one thing perfectly straight.

From Blondie to Franz to Watters and all the ones on LLees list, they dont hold a candle to the WTBTS. Now that's an apostate for you. All the others just left the apostate.

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VM44

Norm has also written some good articles/posts. --VM44

tetrapod.sapien

AlanF, for sure, imo.

Satan? Now that's silly. The Watchtower works for Satan, how can Satan's house be divided?

i'm afraid you are wrong. the WTS works for joe hoba and jesus whether that makes you uncomfortable or not.

satan is, indeed, the greatest apostate of all time. the original, and the greatest. he apostasised against everything, not just gody-doddy. it's just too bad that he doesn't exist. so, i guess it is alanF then, lol.

TS

toreador

There have been so many who have contributed over the years to making the truth be known about the WTS.

Carl Olof Jonsson ;
- Sign of the Last Days ;- When?
- Gentile Times Reconsidered!
William Schnell (author: Thirty Years a Watchtower Slave: The Confessions of a Converted Jehovah's Witness )
Kent Steinhaug (website owner: The Watchtower Observer - website the WTS fought ;to remove)
Farkel (amazing ability to cut through the crap and get to the bottom of things)
Jan H (another ;great researcher in the early days) ;
Alan F (another ;great researcher in the early days)
Jan G (Recovery focussed website exposing WT lies)
Franz ;
- Crisis of Conscience ;
- In Search of Christian Freedom
Jean Eason ;
- A Jehovah's Witness finds the truth ;
Diane Wilson ;
- Awakening of a Jehovah's Witness
Edmund Gruss ;
- The 4 Presidents of the Watch Tower Society ;
- Jehovah's Witnesses: Their Claims, Prophesies...
David Reed (author of several books exposing the WTS lies)
- Jehovah's Witnesses: Answered Verse by Verse
- Mormons: Answered Verse by Verse ;
- Answering Jehovah's Witnesses: Subject by Subject ;
- Blood on the Altar: Confessions of a Jehovah's Witness Minister ;
- Index of Watchtower Errors: 1879 To 1989 ;
- Jehovah-Talk: The Mind-Control Language of Jehovah's Witnesses
- How to Rescue Your Loved One from the Watchtower ;
- Blood on the Altar: Confessions of a Jehovah's Witness Minister ;
Brian McGlothin ;
- Have You Seen My Mother?
Robert M. Bowman Jr. ;
- Jehovah's Witnesses ;
- Understanding Jehovah's Witnesses: Why They Read the Bible the Way They Do ;
Robert M. Bowman
- Why You Should Believe in the Trinity: An Answer to Jehovah's Witnesses ;
Lee Elder (website: http://www.ajwrb.org/index.shtml)
Quotes: (another great website - so great the WTS fought him to take it down - now found at amny sites around the world)
Randy Watters ;
- (website: http://www.freeminds.org/)
- Refuting Jehovah's Witnesses
- Understanding Mind Control Among Jehovah's Witnesses
- The Truth Will Set You Free
- The Governing Body's Famous Sayings of the 80's
Wilbur Lingle ;
- Approaching Jehovah's Witnesses in Love: How to Witness Effectively without Arguing ;
James W. Sire ;
- Scripture Twisting: Twenty Ways the Cults Misread the Bible ;
John Ankerberg ;
- The Facts on Jehovah's Witnesses (The Facts on Series) ; ; ;
Joe Hewitt
- I Was Raised a Jehovah's Witness ;
Ian Brown ;
- Sixty Questions ;
Lorri MacGregor ;
- What You Need to Know About Jehovah's Witness (Conversations With the Cults) ;
Anne Sanderson
- Fearless Love: Understanding Today's Jehovah's Witnesses ;
M. James Penton ;
- JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES AND THE THIRD REICH - Sectarian Politics Under Persecution ;
- Apocalypes Delayed
Edmund Gruss ;& Leonard Chretien ;
- Jehovah's Witnesses: Their Monuments To False Prophecy ; ; ;
Ron Rhodes ;
- Reasoning from the Scriptures With the Jehovah's Witnesses ;
- The 10 Most Important Things You Can Say to a Jehovah's Witness (The 10 Most Important Things Series) ; ; ; ;

Sexual Abuse

Vicki Boer (survivor who took the WTS to court for a landmark case)
Berri Girls (survivors who appeared ;in a documentary) ;
Erika (survivor who appeared ;in a documentary)
Donald D’Haene ;(survivor, author: Father's Touch + short movie)
Bill Bowen (whistleblower)
Barbara Anderson ; (whistleblower)
Kimberlee Norris ;(lawyer fighting for victims)
many many survivors who have posted their stories here in the hopes that it will help others

The reality is that no one person is ever going to bring down the WTS. Every person, EVERY single one that speaks out to tell the real truth about the WTS is a part of the process of spreading real thuth - not the WTS' brand of it.

When we think of most of the great changes that occur in society it is almpst always the drip drip drip that finally erodes the foundation of the structure. Each one builds on what has come before.

In the early days people like Jonsson, AlanF, Farkel, Jan H, and many others started the great work of dissecting WT doctrine. They did their job well because it is out there, in bookstores, on the internet, in many libraries around the world.

Then I think the focus changed to rescue and deprogramming. Randy, Reed Jan G, focussed on rescuing people from the WTS. Getting people "out" and helping them was important. Through this much info concerning mind control, manipulation, cults laid the basics for what we understand now about how the WTS recruits and maintains control over the membership.

After that I think we have come to the time of "issues"

sexual abuse,
blood,
shunning,
custody,
lack of love

and another group of issues surrounding the WTS hypocracy ;

UN
RandCam
PhillipMorris
Mexico/Malawi
Hitler
Rutherford, Russell, and ;some new info coming in about other presidents
homosexuality, pedophilia and alcoholism ;in Bethel

I think it will be interesting to see how all this information is impacting the WTS. We know membership is going down. New recruits are harder to get in many countries. And that means less $$$$. And with a rash of new court cases soon to come it should be interesting times.

mouthy

Wonderful list Lady Lee......I agree with you entirely.....((((HUGGLES)) <I have just learned that from feirylady<<<<i like it

moshe

Ray Franz was the biggest insider to rat out the WTS and probably made the biggest initial impact on an inquiring JW.

I wonder which next big insider will defect from the WTS and his expose will help knock down that now shakey Tower. Will some of the Bethel elders who get demoted and perhaps sent home finally get fed up and leave the Org.? I'm sure there are a lot of negative stories that will come out soon from some of these ex-bethel elders.

can't wait,

Moshe

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