IT HAS BEGUN "BIG" NEWS ON AP NEWS WIRE

by DannyHaszard 402 Replies latest watchtower medical

  • AuldSoul
    AuldSoul
    after reading the BOE letter, I am glad that my guesses/speculation turned out to be 100% accurate.....

    The devil is in the details, Oroborus. Always has been. They never ask for the destruction of a letter that is identical to the new one. They only replace driectives of necessity, and usually to plug a legal loophole. If I were there, I'd shake you and say, "Read 'em again, man!"

    But, since you admitted a prejudicial reading and you were heartened by seeing confirmation of your prejudice (that never happens to prejudiced people ), I am convinced all that we could accomplish by pointing up the significance of the new directives would be another protracted one-sided pis*ing match of which you would declare yourself the winner.

    AuldSoul

  • seven006
    seven006

    Eduardo


    I’m sure you’re a nice guy but I object to your arrogant “I’m a lawyer so I know it all” attitude. Barbara first posted this information in a manner to peek ultimate interest for maximum effectiveness when it came out and you had to act like you are the boards official legal mouth piece as if you and you alone will tell us if it is noteworthy or not. Not all here are impressed with someone who has a law degree.


    You seemed to be more interested in letting us all know you were a lawyer than seeing the significance of the upcoming information. Maybe a few of the “just out” exJW see that as impressive but the majority of us did not. Then I saw your website where you list all your levels of expertise in all the non related feilds. Then I laughed and understood. I pictured you selling fake Rolexes on the street corner as well.


    I am not interested in insults and put-downs. I just wanted you to understand that this information was more important than your ego and the work that went into it was more noteworthy then your personal opinion. Just because you may have a law degree doesn’t make you intelligent nor does it make your opinion hold much water. Believe it or not but in any given court case there are usually two lawyers with completely contrasting opinions and one of them is usually completely full of shit. Being full of shit is their job and you do seem to have mastered that aspect of law.


    Lawyers are a dime a dozen and so are some of their opinions. I have hired enough of them over the years to completely understand that. The threads about the information were muddied with you pseudo legal mumbo-jumbo and I found it distracting as you (How did outoftheorg put it “your continuous self promoting”) tried to draw the attention away from the information and on yourself.


    Just a suggestion business wise. If you want people to take what you do seriously as a lawyer don’t offer web services and graphic design on you website when you want them to take your legal expertise seriously. If I want a lawyer I’ll hire a lawyer. Same goes for a web or graphic designer. Now, lets see if this thread can stay on topic and not turn into another “Eduardo knows law stuff” thread again.


    Dave

  • dorayakii
    dorayakii

    This letter has already been read out to my congregation. The Presiding Overseer read it last night at our Wednesday evening service meeting. I was dozing tho, so didn't pay enough attention to realise it was something important... We've had about 3 no-blood talks since the beginning of the year, its just getting ridiculous... If they start to do inspections of who does or doesn't own a no-blood card, i'm gonna be in a lot of trouble, lol... The new-style 2006 version of the card is quite interesting tho (http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/16/104206/1.ashx), it gives one the choice to accept or reject minor blood fractions and autologous procedures, whereas the old-style one is more dogmatic. It does though give consent to members of the Hospital Liaison Committee to access one's medical records.


    I've just printed out the article from the Washington Post and the letter itself in PDF format.

    Tomorrow i will be photocopying them and sending them with a cover letter to as many local and national newspapers as i can find the addresses for.

    I'll also email a copy of the PDF and the links to the articles to Stephen Bates, Religious Correspondant of the Guardian newspaper.

    Thanks for this Danny, your work is much appreciated.

    ' Yaki

  • Axelspeed
    Axelspeed
    don't see how one would take it as "meaning that all blood fractions are bad" at all since that isn't even the topic or issue of the paragraph.

    Eduardo,

    I went back and re-read the paragraph in question. I also re-read the question and how it might be understood to read.

    Then I walked away, thought about it some more, ... then came back and looked at the letter again. I understand that fractions per se are not the main thrust of the paragraph. But with this wording, taken within the totality of the JW blood policy, some confusing and/or misleading implications and inferences are being made. I won't go back and forth on this, but I stand by my comments.

    Just my .02

    Axel

  • Rabbit
    Rabbit

    This news story & the article in the Journal of Church & State can hurt the WT in many ways.

    1. This AP story is getting a very big audience in some major papers.
    This will be seen by a lot of JW's. And JW's will be asked about the blood issue going door-to-door, by friends and relatives, too.

    Getting a JW to THINK...is the very first step out of the WT !

    2. The very real fear of class action lawsuits could cause the WT to 'cover their corporate ass'. I don't know what they'll do, but, with all the corporations they have they could choose to expose one of them to sacrifice. Then, drop the blood doctrine, take their lumps and keep the shunning stuff, which the courts may never be able to touch.

    Either way, if they drop the 'blood issue' people won't keep on dying.

    3. Both of the above will help a lot of 'dubs on a fence' get off. Many more will start doubting for the first time, it may take them awhile to leave after their first big step.

    4. If the class action suits work, every one who was harmed by the death of those witnesses could potentially cause massive $$$ loss to the WT. And even MORE bad PR...

    5. All this bad publicity for them and other super rich religions can, over time change the way people think about the sweet position churches are in regarding money. If that 'good will' is lost...taxation of some or all of a churches assets -- might loom on the horizon.

    None of this is 'a sure thing', except of course, nothing will happen (for sure) if XJW's do nothing to help the process.

    Nothing ventured, nothing gained. ~ Unknown
    _________________
    Rabbit

  • DannyHaszard
    DannyHaszard

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    The blood ban of Jehovah's Witnesses is more complex than many ...
    North County Times, CA - 1 hour ago
    NEW YORK ---- Jehovah's Witnesses are renowned for teaching that Jesus is not God and that the world as we know it will soon end. ...

    Just went up it's another day-Danny Haszard Bangor Maine

  • Dansk
    Dansk

    I greatly admire your tenacity, Danny!

    Ian

  • DannyHaszard
    DannyHaszard

    http://www.nctimes.com/shared-content/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=111 started discussion thread in their forum waiting for moderator approval

  • DannyHaszard
    DannyHaszard

    [Chicago Sun Times religion editor is one of the news outlets i contacted to request that they run the article. Did it matter?] Embellishment by editor from the original article Jehovah's Witnesses transfusion ban under fire
    Chicago Sun-Times, United States - 16 minutes ago
    BY RICHARD N. OSTLING. NEW YORK -- Jehovah's Witnesses are renowned for teaching that Jesus is not God and that the world as we know it will soon end. ... NEW YORK -- Jehovah's Witnesses are renowned for teaching that Jesus is not God and that the world as we know it will soon end. But another unusual belief causes even more entanglements -- namely, that God forbids blood transfusions even when patients' lives are at stake. The doctrine's importance will be underscored next week as elders who lead more than 98,000 congregations worldwide recite a new five-page blood directive from headquarters. The tightly disciplined sect believes the Bible forbids transfusions, though specifics have gradually been eased over the years. Raymond Franz, a defector from the all-powerful Governing Body that sets policies for the faith, thinks leaders hesitate to go further for fear that total elimination of the ban would expose the organization to millions of dollars in legal liability over past medical cases . Clotting factors are allowed The Witnesses have opposed transfusions of whole blood since 1945. A later pronouncement also barred transfusions of blood's ''primary components,'' meaning red cells, white cells, platelets and plasma. An announcement in 2000 in the official Watchtower magazine, however, said that because of ambiguity in the Bible, individuals are free to decide about therapies using the biological compounds that make up those four blood components, such as gamma globulin and clotting factors that counteract hemophilia. Next week's directive could create confusion about these compounds, known as blood ''fractions.'' Without noting the 2000 change, the new directive tells parents to consider this: ''Can any doctor or hospital give complete assurance that blood or blood fractions will not be used in treatment of a minor?'' Aside from the new directive, a footnote in the Witnesses' standard brochure, ''How Can Blood Save Your Life?,'' mentions the 2000 article on fractions -- but then omits its contents. Lawyer: Local elders didn't know By coincidence, next week's directive follows some heavy criticism of the blood transfusion policy from attorney Kerry Louderback-Wood of Fort Myers, Fla., writing in the Journal of Church and State, published by Baylor University. Louderback-Wood, who was raised a Witness but now has no religious affiliation, accuses her former faith of giving ''inaccurate and possibly dishonest arguments'' to believers facing crucial medical decisions. Louderback-Wood complains that many Witnesses and physicians aren't given clear instruction about the faith's blood transfusion policy, particularly on the subject of fractions. She's no disinterested bystander. The lawyer says her mother died from severe anemia in 2004 because local elders didn't realize hemoglobin is permitted. Louderback-wood learned that hemoglobin was allowed from the Web site of Associated Jehovah's Witnesses for Reform on Blood, which was founded in 1997 by dissenting local elders, eight of whom served on Hospital Liaison Committees that advise Witnesses and physicians. Could church be liable? The founder of Associated Jehovah's Witnesses, speaking on condition of anonymity to protect his standing in a faith that does not tolerate dissent, says liaison committee members know about the revised teachings, but most Witnesses automatically refuse all forms of blood without consulting the committees. Louderback-Wood thinks the faith is subject to legal liability for misinforming adherents, which to her knowledge is an untested theory in U.S. courts. Related issues arise in a pending lawsuit in Calgary, Alberta, however, over the alleged ''wrongful death'' of teenage leukemia patient Bethany Hughes. Witnesses headquarters refused a request to interview an expert on blood beliefs. Instead, General Counsel Philip Brumley issued a prepared statement rejecting Louderback-Wood's ''analysis and conclusions'' in general. ''Any argument challenging the validity of this religious belief inappropriately trespasses into profoundly theological and doctrinal matters,'' Brumley stated. The Watchtower's 1945 ban said ''all worshippers of Jehovah who seek eternal life in his new world'' must obey. Such edicts are regarded as divine law. Violators risk ostracism by family and friends. Witnesses do not keep kosher A subsequent Watchtower pronouncement forbade storage of a patient's own blood for later transfusion. In all, Associated Jehovah's Witnesses lists 20 shifts and refinements in blood-related rules over the years. At the core of their blood beliefs, Witnesses cite Acts 15:29, where Jesus' apostles agreed that Gentile converts should ''abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood.'' The Witnesses also cite passages in Genesis and Leviticus. Judaism and Christianity have always understood these scriptures to ban blood-eating for nourishment. This underlies Judaism's kosher procedures to extract blood from meat, which Witnesses do not follow. Christianity eventually decided the rule was temporary. AP

  • DannyHaszard
    DannyHaszard

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    Attorney Kerry Louderback-Wood accuses Jehovah's Witnesses of giving “inaccurate and possibly dishonest arguments” to believers facing crucial medical decisions.

    Jehovah's Witnesses' Blood Ban Complex, Disputed
    TheDay (subscription), CT - 12 minutes ago
    By RICHARD N. OSTLING. New York— Jehovah's Witnesses are renowned for teaching that Jesus is not God and that the world as we know it will soon end. ... ------- [ Important development,the AP article is now being published in independent non-syndicated news outlets ]

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