Beware is this a new Elder tatic to get you?

by skyman 55 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • whyamihere

    That is so wrong..........

    My husband, and I both said if elder were to call us, and ask to visit we would be more than willing to do so. However, we would like our Lawyer present. Funny if they came to the door, and asked for that to happen right then and there. I am ready. My Lawyer lives next door.


  • cheezy

    Hey, y'all - two things:

    1. I was baptized when I was 11!
    2. Tell your friend to lawyer up - remember, "the only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
  • JH

    Elders have a hard time coming here.

    I don't answer the phone to them, and I don' t answer the door to them either. And I don't mind what they do anymore, so they can go to heaven

  • skyman
    Tell your friend to lawyer up - remember, "the only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."

    He joined JWD today but right now he can not get on board for some reason his pass word is not working. He will love your qoute it is so true.

  • cyber-sista
    What were the old vows and what are the new ones? Can someone enlighten me?

    I'm pretty sure my husband was baptized before 1985.


    There is some info on this site somewhere--or maybe on the quotes website under baptism. I will try and look it up later if no one gets to it before me. cybs

  • Dune

    I dont think they can just up and DA him. Especially if he's saying that he's not DA'ing. Expect them to look around to see if he can be taken out on different charges.

  • cyber-sista

    *** Watchtower 1973 May 1 p.280 Baptizing Follows Discipling ***

    ...If you feel the same about serving Jehovah God and taking Christ's yoke upon you, we suggest that you consider the following two questions, which are asked of candidates for baptism:

    (1) Have you repented of your sins and turned around, recognizing yourself before Jehovah God as a condemned sinner who needs salvation, and have you acknowledged to him that this salvation proceeds from him, the Father, through his Son Jesus Christ?

    (2) On the basis of this faith in God and in his provision for salvation, have you dedicated yourself unreservedly to God to do his will henceforth as he reveals it to you through Jesus Christ and through the Bible under the enlightening power of the holy spirit?

    [Emphasis Added]

    *** Watchtower 1985 June 1 p.30 Subjecting Ourselves to Jehovah by Dedication ***

    Decision Based on Knowledge


    At the close of the convention baptism talk, the baptism candidates will be in position to answer with depth of understanding and heartfelt appreciation two simple questions that serve to confirm that they recognize the implications of following Christ's example. The first question is:

    On the basis of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, have you repented of your sins and dedicated yourself to Jehovah to do his will?

    The second is:

    Do you understand that your dedication and baptism identify you as one of Jehovah's Witnesses in association with God's spirit-directed organization?

    Having answered yes to these questions, candidates are in a right heart condition to undergo Christian baptism.

    [Emphasis Added]


    So those baptized before 1985 dedicated their lives to do god's will as he reveals to you through Jesus Christ.

    After 1985 the organization rules...

    hope that helps,


  • skyman

    He has finally made it here. Welcome the new member Stihlman

    What do you think of all the post Stihlman?

  • bigmouth

    Welcome Stihlman! I've got an 023C with an 18" chainbar,how 'bout you?

    seriously....I believe that individuals need to be ' threatened'.The elders involved need to know that they are personally responsible for what thet say and do to you.Threatening the WTBTS means nothing because they are not operating at the coal face and at least an individual is frightened into realising that he cannot hide behind an organisation doing their dirty work.

    Look forward to hearing from you.Pete

  • sthilman

    Thanks for all the advice.

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