by sir82 94 Replies latest members adult
My recently disfellowshipped(drinking) nephew just told me that it will take a year before they let him back due to "new light" given at the elders school. I feel bad for the kid, He has been beating himself up over this. Going to all the meetings, studying daily, reading the bible daily, praying like a maniac. Now he heard about that, he is turn apart.
What did you hear about disfellowshipping and reinstatement?
maybe i am an idiot or just too lazy to look it up in the flock book, but judicially what is the difference if you engage in "loose conduct' or "uncleaness"?
uncleaness= not so bad unless you do it alot?
also i think that the whole porn thing has gotten a whole lot worse with the image and video searching engines on yahoo and other seach engines. now you don't even have to go on a porn site to see pictures.
Thank you, Sir82, for this mostly funny thread. What a good laugh!
It's all about the numbers, brothers. See?
1. brother fondles 1 breast with 3 fingers: uncleaness
2. brother fondles 1 breast while kissing the other one: definitely uncleaness
3. event 2 happens more than 3 times a week: loose conduct
4. brother fondles 1 breast using 1 hand at a time: uncleaness, no greediness
5. brother fondles 1 breast with 1 full hand while vigorously kissing the other one: loose conduct, lots of greadiness here
6. brother fondles 2 breasts with 2 full hands approaching from behind: loose conduct, definitely greedy, not elegible for re-instatement for 2 full years.
And all the while, the sister is absolutely quiet, coming to a full confession only after she feels that her hopes for "everlasting life on paradise earth" is in jeopardy.
Oh boy!
you're right, it is like the Talmud.
Talmud condones pedophilia:
MISHNAH. WHEN A GROWN-UP MAN (7) HAS HAD SEXUAL INTERCOURSE WITH (8) A LITTLE GIRL, (9) OR WHEN A SMALL BOY (10) HAS INTERCOURSE WITH A GROWN-UP WOMAN, OR [WHEN A GIRL WAS ACCIDENTALLY] INJURED BY A PIECE OF WOOD (11) — [IN ALL THESE CASES] THEIR KETHUBAH IS TWO HUNDRED [ZUZ] …
— Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Kethuboth 11a Soncino 1961 Edition, page 57
Lol @ observador.
that should help some. For JWs looking to play, you're much safer with a anyone else than a JW. One of the dumbest MS I know: 29, (biological!) virgin; decided it was time to play, then went with some hot babe in the congo. They had fun, eh, then she developed a very bad case of bad conscience; cried her hearts out, red-eyed, went to the elders. told them everything, eh, everything, except that she said it happened only once; hmn, they were at it six times in one week, including when they were supposed to be on RV. Dude got DF (she'd blabbed to some others), and she's cool like that sitty pretty in the hall. Dumb dude.
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"Is a woman kissing a man's breasts the same judicially?"
It should be, my breasts are far more sensitive than my wifes. (I only admitted that because no one here knows who I am.)
Why did the PIONEER have to be the "goodie"on this occasion?The "aggressor"was merely a brother
you took the words right out of my mouth..fleaman
(it must have been when...or maybe not)
I love how the word greediness is used to justify disfellowshipping people for smoking, gambling, anything remotely sexual, alcohol, whatever the FDS don't like at the time. Why is it never used for gluttons? I can not find a single case of any person ever being d/f for gluttony. Don't me wrong, I don't think people should be d/f for gluttony either, but it just seems like a glaring double standard.
Sir82 said "Apparently, a lot of elders are using the "loose conduct" category of sin as a catch-all to D-F anyone who they dislike."
That is definitely the case. I was told if I am ever caught again talking to a d/f person i will be d/f. I asked on what scriptural ground. The answer was loose conduct.
According to Strongs a•sel´gei•a.
“From a compound of ? - a 1 (as a negative particle) and a presumed selges (of uncertain derivation, but apparently meaning continent); licentiousness (sometimes including other vices):--filthy, lasciviousness, wantonness.”
Other bibles such as King James and American Standard use the term lasciviousness, meaning to express lust or be lecherous. The NIV uses the term debauchery. Clearly loose conduct is filthy, extreme, shocking behaviour. However, without any backing the elders extend loose conduct to refer to an attitude of disrespect, such as not doing what the FDS or elders advise.
It now looks like uncleaness is going to be the other catch all. What? Disfellowship a brother for kissing someones breasts three times or calling 0900 numbers for uncleaness, so they can never talk to family and friends again?
Apparently, a lot of elders are using the "loose conduct" category of sin as a catch-all to D-F anyone who they dislike
so how does this work then at armageddon
some one df-ed wrongly is destroyed....does jah hold the elder responsible and so destroy him too
but wait...he cant because he hasnt provided proper training for these elders to make correct decisions and he hasnt actually guided their decision with holy spirit...so he has to forgive the idiot elder...so he must have to forgive the innocent victim of the idiot elder regardless of what the victim is now doing..
still no demonstrations of j.c's??
