BOE Letter re. Pornography

by doinmypart 68 Replies latest members adult

  • doinmypart
    doinmypart

    This is a summary of the Jun 7, 2006 Body of Elder letter regarding Pornography. It is in line with the July 15, 2006 WT QFR, and a followup from the recent KM (Elder) school.

    Two elders need to meet with a person that has viewed porn and share mag articles (many references given) as soon as they find out about the situation. After initial visit one elder will continue to meet w/the brother and check on him. If an appointed servant unintentionally comes across porn there is no need to review his qualifications. If it is deliberate the elders must ask these questions:

    Did he come forward and tell the elders
    Was it a practice
    What type of porn
    Any masturbation
    When last viewed
    Effect on wife
    Who else knows
    Does he want to desist

    Depending on the answer to these questions, and the BOE determination, the brother may no longer qualify.

    If a brother has a habit of viewing porn or has watched child porn, bondage, or gang rape he does not qualify. And will be removed immediately.

    If a brother has viewed porn a few brief times has he repented, have the respect of all including his wife, (and a few other questions I missed), does the BOE feel he can continue to serve...discuss with CO on upcoming visit, or contact the Branch.

    A person persistently watching soft porn is not exemplarary and doesn't qualify for any privileges, but no need for a judicial committee...unless he brazenly encourages others to view porn. Viewing hetero-oral or anal sex does not automatically warrant a judicial committee, but depends on frequency (and something else I missed). Viewing of homosexual or group nature is more serious, and result in removing privileges but not necessarily a judicial committee.

    This is not retroactive to prior to recent KM school.

  • jstalin
    jstalin

    Cool! Gay porn doesn't automatically mean a JC!

  • Mary
    Mary

    Good lord.....me thinks they have a fixation on porn themselves. Can't you just see the following:

    If an appointed servant unintentionally comes across porn there is no need to review his qualifications. If it is deliberate the elders must ask these questions:

    Did he come forward and tell the elders - uh well, I planned on doing that eventually

    Was it a practice - Of course not! I was innocently looking for the WTS's website so I could be built up spiritually, and lo and behold some pictures of nude women popped up. I had a heck of a time trying to leave the site as I immediately closed my eyes.
    What type of porn - Um, I don't know? Are they're different kinds?
    Any masturbation - You mean me or the site I was viewing?
    When last viewed - My computer's still warm.
    Effect on wife - Uh, I forgot to tell her.

    Who else knows - Not sure. Probably Bill Gates.

    Does he want to desist - Who, me or Bill Gates?

  • jwfacts
    jwfacts

    LOL they thought all this through.

    I wonder why viewing bondage is considered as bad as gang rape, but viewing anal isn't, considering bondage is allowed in the Witness marriages, but anal sex is a disfellowshippint offense. And why no mention of beastiality?

  • confusedjw
    confusedjw

    Jesus Mary, you need to write a book. I'd read it as I need the laugh. Keep it coming.

  • jambon1
    jambon1

    All of this is truely mental.

    Very cultish indeed.

    Do you think the mormons or any other religious groups have letters like these?

    If I was the elder having to read this out I`d be pi$$ing myself laughing!

  • sir82
    sir82

    Allow me to quote a few direct snippets from the letter itself...

    "If an appointed servant inadvertantly comes across a pornographic image while on the Internet, or in some other way, and he reports this to an elder, such matters can generally be handled according to the direction in the Kingdom Ministry School textbook, page 97, paragraphs 4-7. There is no need to evaluate his qualifications."

    Ignoring the obvious & juvenile pun re: "coming across" pornographic images...

    So, the Service Desk thinks it is possible to accidentally just "encounter" porn images on the Internet? Like, say, you go to Martha Stewart.com, and instead of seeing a recipe for blueberry muffins, you see Mistress X and her band of S&M slave drivers? Right....

    And they also think that if an elder "accidentally" stumbles across this site, he is to immediately report to other elders? "Say, Brother Bellybulge, while I was reading the latest upbuilding experience in my e-mail, I just happened to see this picture of 4 horses and a woman..." Right....

    "Thus, when the body of elders learn that a publisher has made a practice of viewing soft-core pornography, sound Scriptural counsel and enlightenment should be given. Generally speaking, one persisting in this practice would not be viewed as exemplary and thus would not qualify for special privileges in the congregation. However, at this stage he would not be dealt with judicially unless he is also promoting it or encouragiing others to view it with him. This would give evidence of a brazen attitude characterizing loose conduct."

    "Hey, Bob, me and the guys will be over your place around 8:30. We'll still watching the game, right?"

    "Naw, Fred, I thought we'd all strip down to our underwear and watch Drunk Colleges Girls Going Wild.com. You down with that?"

    "In the second example [from the KM school], a publisher 'for many years secretly viewed abhorrent pornography that is sexually degrading.' This would include child pornography, sadistic torture, bondage, gang rape, or the brutalizing of women. In such cases, 'a judicial committee would be formed because of the gross uncleanness involved.

    "Therefore, viewing pornography escalates to gross uncleanness if the type of pornography viewed was abhorrent or sexually degrading in nature, as described in the second example above. An additional factor to be considered would be if it were a practice for 'many years.' As a general principle, when these elements are present, a judicial committee would need to handle the matter. At Ephesians 4:19 Paul stated: [scriptural quote with phrase 'uncleanness with every sort of greediness']. When an individual has 'given himself over' to this unclean practice as evidenced by his repeatedly viewing abhorrent pornography, the matter has escalated to gross uncleanness and needs to be handled judicially."

    So, you can watch all the hard-core porn you want, so long as you don't admit you've been doing it "for years".

    Hmm, they still haven't gotten around to explaining that child porography is a criminal offense. If I'm not mistaken, doesn't the FBI get involved?

    If you are of a sensitive nature, you may not want to read the next quote.

    "Further, viewing hetero-oral or anal sex (on a video or computer), while certainly unclean, is not to be considered 'gross' or 'judicial', though it may lead to removal as an elder, a ministerial servant, or a pioneer depending on the frequency and when it last occurred. With regard to viewing oral (or anal) sex of a homosexual or group nature, this is more serious. However, it would still not be considered uncleanness of a 'gross' nature meriting judicial action, but likely would still result in removal from an appointed privilege of service."

    Ok, so since we're getting so explicit and technical...

    It is apparently OK to view still photographs of "hetero-oral or anal sex", since the pararaph only mentions "video or computer".

    I don't get how viewing "homosexual oral or anal sex" is "more serious", but still isn't "serious" enough to merit a committee. What, do the elders read the scriptures to you in an angrier voice?

    Here's my favorite paragraph:

    "The direction regarding 'gross uncleanness' is not retroactive. So there is no need to reopen cases that have already been handled in the past prior to the Kingdom Ministry School. Additionally, if following the Kingdom Ministry choll the elders judicially reproved a brother for viewing forms of pornography that may not have merited judicial action, the decision should stand. However, they should make arrangements to help the brother make a spiritual recovery. It may be that judicial restrictions could soon be removed. As he makes spiritual progress, the elders may decide that he can be given privileges in the congregation. After a time, he may also qualify to serve once again in an appointed position. If you have questions regarding the handling of these matters, please write with full details and we will be happy to assist you."

    So, if some super-zealous elders D-F'ed somebody for viewing "soft-core" porn since November/Decemeber when the elders school was, and it turns out that he shouldn't have been D-F'ed after all,

    -- DO NOT admit you were wrong

    -- He is STILL considered D-F'ed

    -- MAYBE you might consider "removing restrictions" soon (i.e., based on the Society's definition of "soon", as in "Armageddon is coming soon", you can lift the restrictions sometime within the next 120 years)

    I'm just gob-smacked at all this. What a bunch of clueless [fill-in-th-blank]...

  • Lapuce
    Lapuce

    Thats getting really silly, they really have no life as they need those juicy details to get off... Anyone out there have a scanned copy of this letter? Its a must have to add to any documents.

  • Mary
    Mary
    Jesus Mary, you need to write a book. I'd read it as I need the laugh. Keep it coming.

    LOL! Why thank you hon....actually, I am working on a screenplay right now. I've got almost 30 pages done. Not as easy as you might think either.......and you don't have ta call me Jesus.

    So, the Service Desk thinks it is possible to accidentally just "encounter" porn images on the Internet? Like, say, you go to Martha Stewart.com, and instead of seeing a recipe for blueberry muffins, you see Mistress X and her band of S&M slave drivers? Right....

    Uh, believe it or not, it is possible to "accidentally" come across porn images on the internet.......a few years ago, we were looking at purchasing either half a pig or a whole pig from a farmer, so I typed in "hog farm" and guess what the first thing that popped up? It was a porn picture of a muscular black guy having anal sex with this grossly huge (and I mean huge) white woman in what looked like a barn. It was actually quite pathetic and funny all at the same time and I started laughing my head off, it looked so stupid................and ya, I uh, reported it to the elders......right away. Jes ta keep me conscience clean.

  • James Free
    James Free

    Link to scanned copy please!!

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