The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible

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  • Hellrider
    Hellrider

    ThirdWitnoid said:

    Hellrider said one day was as a thousand years. ; I figured everyone saw the illogic of 7 times being 2,520,000 so i didn't comment on that.

    Ha ha, oh you so sneaky! This is what I wrote:

    Should We Apply the Day for a Year Rule?

    No. The "day for a year"-rule isn`t even a rule a all. It is used twice in the entire Bible, once in Numbers 14 (the 40 years in the desert), and once in Ezekiel 4. Both the times that this "rule" (which isn`t even a rule) goes into effect, it is explicitly stated that it does. Also, the YEARS of punishment in these two passages, are equivalent to the number of DAYS that Israel were being disobedient to God. So, "a day for a year" is punishment for Israel! This aspect is not there in neither Jeremiah nor Daniel, and there is no mentioning of the "day for a year-rule" at all. Clearly then, to use it, is wrong.

    The Bible also says that to God, a thousand years is like a day, and a day like a thousand years. There is no reason why THIS should not be used in conjunction (hope that`s the right word, english is my 2nd language) with the 2520 days. In fact, it would make MORE sense that THIS rule be applied, instead of a year, as the aspect of punishment is not there (as the Bible explicitly states that the 70 years are for Babylon). That would place the end of the world to be 2520000 years into the future from the day these words were written down. Of course, the "Jehovahs witnesses" are not interested in waiting that long. They want it right now, before even one more generation "that saw these events fulfilled" have passed away.

    I believe the difference between my post and your summary of my post should be evident to everyone. Again you are back to your old tricks of distorting what people write in their posts and their arguments against you. Also: You claim to be answering arguments and points made! In relation to the points I raised in my first post (see above) and in similar posts by other participants, you simply referred us to the part of your essay with "Should we apply the day for a year rule". Well, the point is that the argument I and others have raised, is that the "day for a year - rule" (which isn`t even really a rule) should NOT be applied, and we have thoroughly explained WHY! And NONE of the reasons why it should NOT be applied, are covered in your "essay" (and I use that term in its widest possible sense). So, you do NOT answer arguments, you just refer them to some crap you have written that does NOT answer the points and arguments we have made. That means you are just here to spread your propaganda, like a witnoid equvalent to Joseph Goebbels trolling about (and I don`t doubt for a second that you are here on the direct command of "highranking" WTS-officials). Frankly, I can`t understand why the admins put up with it. This is a discussion forum! Not a forum for your thorusand-year-Reich-propaganda!

  • jayhawk1
    jayhawk1

    Auldsoul, there you go again answering questions with direct answers. We can't have any of that now, can we?

  • Quentin
    Quentin

    Geez...seven pages?...Don't know how you guys do it...I'd a packed it in already...carry on, carry on...

  • Fisherman
    Fisherman

    What does OLoff and Franz say about the Gentile times what are their conclusions?

  • PopeOfEruke
    PopeOfEruke

    Jay

    Oh sorry ! I meant APART from 1925 when indeed Moses and the rest of the old boys were resurrected. Believe they are living now somewhere in San Diego. Noah recently got busted for drunk driving.

    Pope

  • jayhawk1
    jayhawk1

    Pope, no problem man. Just wanted to make sure you had all the facts. Last I heard, the Prophet Jeremiah moved up to Oakland and is living under the assumed name Al Davis (owner of the Oakland Raiders).

  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW

    Hey Saki,your still a Witness? Thats cool.I have family who are active dubs..Outside of a debate board like this,I really don`t give a rats ass what anyone believes.Everyone is entitled to thier belief`s..That changes when you decied to debate your point of view..Saki,you said you held no opinions while viewing the debate,although you side with 3rd witness because you are still a dub..Because you are a Witness you have a predetermined point of view.If your view is predetermined then how could 3rd witness`s posts have changed your mind?They didn`t,your mind was already set..Saki,you sit corrected..To date,3rd witness has changed no ones mind..Not even yours..Normaly I would jump all over someone for this.You are new,and need some seasoning..Remember Saki,this is a debate board,what you say will be torn to shreds if you can not back up what you post..Have a good evening Saki!...OUTLAW

  • cabasilas
    cabasilas
    I guess I could instead answer and say that if you are unwilling to look into the other scriptures that I cite that clearly helps understand and connects Daniel 4 with God's rulership then what can I tell you other than copying and pasting the whole essay again for you.

    So, I think you've basically said that if we look at Daniel chapter 4 alone there is no specific application to anything other than what happened to Nebuchadnezzar.

    How do the "other scriptures" you cited "connect Daniel 4" to the interpretation you are proposing? Do any of them specifically connect Daniel 4? Yes, they use the same metaphor of trees but do they specifically connect Daniel 4?

    Are you interpreting from the text or reading into the text?

  • Fisherman
    Fisherman

    Here is another possible interpretation of Ez 21:26,27 having nothing to do with the Getile times:

    Ezequiel was speaking with Zed:

    Put on high even waht was low- King Jehoichin abased in Babylon would be restored to honor.

    Bring low even the High one- Zedekiah occupying a high office would be degraded

    ruin ruin ruin- impending disaster

    it will certainly become no one's (literally this also shall be no more) Even the restoration of the crown to Jehoiachin will only be temporary. The ultimate restoration will happen at an unspecified time in the future.

  • Fisherman
    Fisherman

    It is noteworthy that in 2Kings 24:17 , it was the King of Babylon that appointed King Zedikiah as King of Judah. Again in 2Kings 25:27,28 It was also the King of Babylon that restored king Jehoiachin to his throne AFTER King Zedekiah. According to Scripture KIng Jehoichin was the last King of Judah and not King ZED. This is significant because Jehoichin's throne should be consindered and Zed was not the last king of Judah according to scripture so it seems that Judah had a king after 607. Any takers?

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