SUICIDE

by Dansk 61 Replies latest members private

  • Billygoat
    Billygoat
    There are more and more studies being done and statistics have started to appear on Mental Health among JWs -- their depression rates are very high as are schizophrenia , bipolr/manic depression etc -- I am sure statistics on suicide will also start to appear - -and once there have been one or two documentaries world wide (like the child abuse) it wil lbe another nail in the coffin of the WTBTS.

    Do you have anything published you can link us to? I'd like to see some evidence of these studies. I know it's something we hear about, but until I can see something I'm hesistant to get too excited about it.

  • cruzanheart
    cruzanheart

    Welcome, Nazgul! You'll find a lot of encouragement and interesting information on this forum.

    I would love to see more research on suicides within high-control groups like the Witnesses, because I think it's starting to become an epidemic. Also, if you look at the parents who kill their children -- it appears to me that most of them are members of strict fundamentalist churches. There was one recently in Texas (not Andrea Yates) who took a rock and bashed her two young sons' heads in and nearly killed the baby. The church is praying for her and said it was a tragedy.

    Are people with suicidal tendencies drawn to high control groups? Perhaps. However, the rules, the emphasis on perfection, you're not good enough, do more, that's fine but you can do better -- all that combines to depress, not encourage, and can make basket cases out of people who start out with good self-esteem. The Society, in particular, places the emphasis on humbling people, and they do this by pointing out their faults, not their accomplishments.

    I'd like to see religion made accountable under law for their actions.

    Nina

  • JamesThomas
  • bebu
    bebu

    Welcome, Nazgul!!!

    I'm sorry to hear about your wife, and the family situation. I hope she'll recover completely, and that perhaps this might become the thing that brings you some authority to speak your piece to your relatives... Your concern for her give you permission to examine and reject what you find harmful for her health, IMO.

    ~~~

    I wonder how you flag down psych students doing grad work, or universities with research depts, and ask them if anyone is interested in taking this kind of research project on? I know if I were a grad psych student, it would be very intriguing!

    ...Is anyone out there? Anyone who knows anyone who would be interested? Because I'd like to see a REAL study, not just rumors. And if our suspicions are just suspicions, it would be good to know that, too.

    Until then, I will always have my suspicions...

    bebu

  • Mulan
    Mulan

    I know of two in one local congregation here.

    One is the daughter of good friends of ours, who also post here.

    The WTS has a lot to answer for in that one, and I hope they do.

  • mouthy
    mouthy

    When I was "ousted" in 1987 I thought very much about ending it. Only reason I didnt is because my DA daughter was expecting twins & she had suffered from Cancer ( since deceased) I knew of Shawn Gilmore who killed himself two years ago. Also ? Hawthorn in Montreal ( forget his first name ,think it was Gerry)) Also two of the remnant killed themselves in Cambridge ON ( 85, years old.) Also Lolly Dawdles Hubby 7 years ago..All Jws. I knew another fellow who had been studying in Montreal who after going out in service ( training with a brother) went home & killed himself. Wish we could know for sure what damage the WT did to all & sundry.

  • Sassy
    Sassy

    I posted in that earlier thread that Nina had a link for, regarding my suicide attempt a few years ago. There was a definate connection to being a JW and why I attempted it. The pressure was just too much and I couldn't handle it.

    It's ironic though.. when I deicided to quit being a JW, one of my supposed closest friends, recommended to me that if I get suicidal for quitting that I do it right this time and blow my head off or slit my wrists. She said not to play games and end it all this time..

    What she doesn't realize is that with me being OUT.. I have no need to attempt it..

  • bebu
    bebu

    Sassy,

    That "friend" of yours...

    leaves me absolutely speechless...

    bebu

  • Doubtfully Yours
    Doubtfully Yours

    All,

    You must remember that many come into the Org when they're at a very low point in their lives, then they get love-bombed but their mental anguish still remains and the demands of the religion just add to the pressure they already experience.

    To this day I still haven't met anyone that has come into the JW religion at a point in their lives when they're successful and everything is going well in their world.

    Except for a few of the ones that have been born into this high control group, the mental quality of the joiners is not that good to begin with.

    DY

  • Rabbit
    Rabbit

    Blondie Sez:

    Over the years, I have known of some. Many had medical illnesses that were not treated because of fear of psychiatrists, the medical field in general.

    The acknowledgement of mental illness in the general population is a serious problem, which is made worse by the WTS unofficial stance towards treatment. People do not want to be labeled mentally ill and have everything they say and do filtered through that, JWs or not.

    The issue with JWs is that instead of their "enlightened" scriptural background helping them rise above the labeling in the world at large, they make it worse, make people even more afraid to seek treatment.

    Count me as 'one' suicide attempt. Count three more successful suicide attempts among Witnesses that I personally know of. What Blondie said, hits the heart of the matter -- even tho' I've seen an article in the WT saying it is sometimes acceptable to seek therapy and Rx treament -- they REALLY tell you...what you REALLY need to do, to 'be happy' is to 'be strong in the Truth'. Somehow...in the depths of depression, we are supposed to be out in Service, convincing other people, if THEY too, want to be happy (like us...?) ...they need to join us! I never did...in the 10 years from my attempt... have I ever gotten ANY help of any kind from the JW Empire. The Elders...looked at me like deer in the headlights of your car. They had no understanding, no training. There were some two that were very helpful, but, when I tried to bring up my suicide attempt or try to voice my concerns over how I felt about 'contradictions' in the way other Elders were treating me...I was cut-off. I was continually told to 'Study longer and harder, really dedicate my life...' , you know the drill ! My now X-wife and her family, were convinced I must be: they said -- weak spirituallly, I had a demon and even asked me if maybe I had bought something at a garage sale that might have been owned by someone who was demonized...!! OR maybe it was that Adult porn magazine that was found in my possession. I actually suffered in the 20th Century from Major Depression and Epilepsy, *sigh* Everyone of these including me, were the results of: either the stress of not being able to live up to the impossible 'high' standards of an unforgiving, stiff-necked organization, the existing Depression or Mental Illness, the non-existant counseling programs or training of the Elders to recognize these problems, or all the above. Officially...unofficial, damn. I was told that ANY person that went to a Psychologist, (me) had to be crazy and if I wasn't before I went...I would be later, because...NOW GET THIS: those Doctors would and could 'put' bad thoughts in my head...that could loosen my faith and eventually destroy my family. Count '2' more suicide attempts among 2 of my children who have been under the influence of primarily my X and the JW's the last 6 - 7 years. One was DF'd for a while, the other just went away. They are under extreme pressure from that fanatical side of the family. So here is my count so far: 3 suicide attempts 3 'successful' suicide attempts NOW...try to count the number of family members, relatives and friends who were victimized...how many more are on the way...? Officially Pissed, Lee

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