Reniaa Debator said: The validity of Baptism is that it was biblically recognised as an act that commits you to your belief of a particular faith whichever you choose.
Oh pu-lease. Do you have any braincells that are actually firing in there? The fact that you cannot deny is: baptism was from pagan origin, yet the early Christians had no problem whatsoever with adapting it for their own culture. The fact that you say it was "biblically recognized" proves that the earliest Christians did not have the same paranoid view that JWs do today regarding birthdays.
Therefore why do we have celebrations from Pagan practices made over to Christianity?
For the same reason we have Pagan baptismal practices made over to Christianty: because it doesn't frigging well matter where it originates from.
Pagan celebrations are condemned, Birthdays were and still are Pagan celebrations. That is the bible principle involved
This just goes to show how little you know about the subject matter at hand. All of the commandments that the Israelites and early Christians were to follow had to do with directly worshiping other false gods, by "yoking" direct worshipers of other false gods, who had harmful and immoral practices. They did not apply to a Israelite who obeyed Jehovah's Mosaic Law, yet followed various non harmful pagan customs, as can be seen by many who worshiped Jehovah, yet continued to maintain the practice of keeping teraphim statues throughout their living quarters and daily routines. Enbalming also has its roots in pagan customs, yet we know that many bible figures (such as Jacob and Jesus) were embalmed.
When a pagan custom or celebration became harmful to others, it went against the Mosaic Law, and the Christian law of love, and thus against Jehovah. For instance, many Israelites were sacrificing their children to the false god Molech by burning them in fire to please God. This pagan custom went far beyond a mere celebration-it was directly against God's law and subject to His punishment.
When Moses came down from Mount Sinai, he found the Hebrews partaking in an Egyptian celebration which ended up costing 24,000 people their lives that night. Was this for simply singing and dancing according to the Egyptian pagan customs? No, what they did went far beyond a mere celebration of pagan customs. Not only was there a complete lack of appreciation of God's saving acts for them, but there was direct worship of a golden calf statue, as well as the Egyptian practices of immorality, selfish domineering and abusive lust. 'Pagan origins' were not the issue but rather the harmful and abusive practices that accompanied the worship of other gods is what they were punished for.
When a family gets together and celebrates dinner over the death and resurrection of Christ, or simply gets together for the sake of getting together and eating and enjoying each other's company such as on the national holiday of Thanksgiving, does it have anything to do with what went on thousands of years ago with Baal and other hurtful pagan worship? When parents have a cake and some presents for their child to celebrate the anniversary of their birth, is anyone beheaded? Of course not. Birthday celebrations that modern families have today bears absolutely no resemblance to the crap that went on thousands of years ago and it is absurd to suggest that one has anything to do with the other.
And you still have yet to answer my question: If birthdays are so displeasing to Jehovah and since they were known in ancient times, why are they not condemned anywhere in the bible?
The rest of your words were just an ad hominen attack. Do you think that stuff would upset me? I find it simply indicates a personis resorting to insults from a losing postion.
Yes, I guess that's about what you would see Renia-bator. Unfortunately for you, your posts on the subject have been hilarious as you have not been able to scripturally defend why the Society bans birthday celebrations and have resorted to bizarre statements that don't even make any sense. Then again, it's you so why would I expect anything more.
LOL! Better luck next time!!
