Atheists, what is the best argument FOR God?

by bohm 85 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • bohm
    bohm

    There are no convincing arguments for God, but some are worse than others. I thought it would be interesting to see what people consider the BEST (of the bad) arguments for God?

    In my oppinion it is the fine-tuning argument from cosmology. A basic form:

    • To the best of our knowledge, the constants (whatever they are) of nature are not logically fixed
    • To the best of our knowledge, if they were a little different life would not exist
    • A God like that of the bible would be more likely to create a life-permitting universe than a non-life permitting universe
    • This offer at least some support to the conclusion God exist.
  • Comatose
    Comatose

    Prologos opinions are interesting. There is a god who started things and stepped back. No personal god. No inspired bible. No Adam. Just a god that was the start of it. Its as close as I can come to making it even remotely sell.

  • adamah
    adamah

    Bohm said- I thought it would be interesting to see what people consider the BEST (of the bad) arguments for God?

    My personal favorite: the banana?

    Comatose said-

    Just a god that was the start of it. Its as close as I can come to making it even remotely sell.

    Still not an answer, but merely a delay tactic for as long as it takes for the other person to ask, "So then, who made God?"

    You don't answer a question by simply supposing an ever-more-improbable question: that's going the WRONG direction.

    Adam

  • bohm
    bohm

    Adamah: I just had two and I got to admit they do fit really well...

  • adamah
    adamah

    Adamah: I just had two and I got to admit they do fit really well...

    Fine-tuning was addressed quite well by non-biologist Douglas Adams, with his example of the sentient puddle:

    Imagine a puddle waking up one morning and thinking, "This is an interesting world I find myself in — an interesting hole I find myself in — fits me rather neatly, doesn't it? In fact it fits me staggeringly well, must have been made to have me in it!" This is such a powerful idea that as the sun rises in the sky and the air heats up and as, gradually, the puddle gets smaller and smaller, it's still frantically hanging on to the notion that everything's going to be alright, because this world was meant to have him in it, was built to have him in it; so the moment he disappears catches him rather by surprise. I think this may be something we need to be on the watch out for. We all know that at some point in the future the Universe will come to an end and at some other point, considerably in advance from that but still not immediately pressing, the sun will explode. We feel there's plenty of time to worry about that, but on the other hand that's a very dangerous thing to say.

    Point being, arguments from fine-tuning gets the process of evolution back-asswards: life survives in environments in which it can survive....

  • braincleaned
    braincleaned

    Love the puddle analogy. Yes.

  • rip van winkle
    rip van winkle

    Adam, oh yeah? Well then, how did the puddle come to be?

  • bohm
    bohm

    This is a special message from the spirit of Skt. Anselm, NO pudlin' without giving the best of the worst argument for God!

  • cofty
    cofty

    I really can't think of any impressive arguments for god.

    I can think of a few I used to think were compelling but that was before I was exposed to rational arguments to the contrary.

    Fine tuning perhaps comes the closest.

  • jgnat
    jgnat

    Not an atheist here but my skepticism sends me down interesting rabbit holes.

    Set aside the idea of a Supreme Creator for a moment. What if people have a god circuit, an internal voice that encourages greatness?

    I think there is also a type of mass hypnosis that we spread by story. We do love our stories!

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