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  Sad news from the Spanish Front

  by Hecce in

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  i think the majority of forum friends are aware of the existence of a vibrant watchtower opposition in the spanish field.

  for about 13 years the extj forum was probably the main instrument for that endeavor, sadly the couple sponsoring that site decided to close it at the end of last year.

  it seems like they were overwhelmed with personal obligations and responsibilities; they were covering a 100% of the expenses without any outside cooperation or publicity.. after the closing of their forum, some of the friends started new sites to keep the flow of information alive.

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  This is very sad indeed. The Spanish field is one where the WT is actually gaining ground.
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  Evolution knowledge prevailing over a Jehovah’s Witness!

  by anointed1 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  yesterday i had an interesting visitor—my long-time school friend.

  we both studied with jws together, and he progressed to dedication and baptism whereas i stopped before the final step and got transferred to another place.

  after the routine conversations, he said: “you know how much your family members long to see you take up the truth ….. before it is too late, i would suggest you start tasting jehovah.”.

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  I think is pretty clear that the word "religion" in that context simply means something you are attached to or that you trust. Since he was talking to a religious person, it makes perfect sense to use a word his friend would be able to relate to. I never interpreted that science was being defined as a form of spiritual devotion.

  But then again... what do I know.
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  Wife and I discussing "The Path"

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  my wife and i have been watching the tv show "the path".

  we are caught up to the latest episode and we have began discussing the parallels (or the lack thereof) between the cult portrayed in the show and the jw.

  would you help me trace some more that i may be overlooking?.

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  My wife and I have been watching the tv show "The Path". We are caught up to the latest episode and we have began discussing the parallels (or the lack thereof) between the cult portrayed in the show and the JW. I've come up to her with some of my own and she's seen some as well. Would you help me trace some more that I may be overlooking?

  Here are some easy ones

  - What JW call 'apostates' are called 'deniers' in the show

  - Deniers are shunned and the default conclusion is that they hate the rest of the group

  - At least one of the cast members that represent the R&F was abused before they joined she joined the group. She sees a protective figure on the leader who is actually taking advantage of her (sexually), yet this seems to be ok with her. In other words, the abuse has not gone away, just replaced with a more "loving" form of abuse.

  - Their doctrine teaches of a bright future in a garden while the rest of the world would be somehow painfully destroyed.

  - They have books for kids as well as songs they use on family gatherings. They are instructed to listen to music from the 70 only because modern music is corrupting.

  - They have recruiting rallies on the street.

  - They are now investing in real state while seeking Tax exemption from the government

  - Their spiritual leader is dying (which their doctrine says should not happen) so the new leader is coming up with "new light" to explain the leaders absence.

  - The new leader is also coming up with further changes to the doctrine to make the group more attractive to newcomers. He also wrote the last books of their spiritual guidance since the former leader is dying without completing the work

  - They use a system of escalating prominence. The spiritual maturity is measured by a system of ladder rungs. The higher have scalated this ladder, the more involved you are, and the more involved you are, the more secrets you know

  - The people at the top allow each other to question or break the rules with impunity. They also seem to be keeping track of such missteps to be used as means of coherseing one another but without actual communication.

  - Lots of mystical manipulation

  - They teach that they do not involve themselves with world or local governments

  - The leaders have made mistakes that forces the whole movement to do things against their own teachings while keeping it secret from the R&F

  - They portray an apostate (or denier as they call it) finding hard to adapt to life outside the group

  If you watch the show and you can come up with any additional I would greatly appreciate it.

  Thanks
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  Trump vows to repeal limits on churches

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i know the jws would not necessarily take advantage of this (or may be they would) but certainly, they will spin it off somehow.. https://www.yahoo.com/news/religious-looking-trump-protections-081209487--politics.html.

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  I can see the next election being heavily influenced by pastors. Even more so than they already are.
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  Trump vows to repeal limits on churches

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i know the jws would not necessarily take advantage of this (or may be they would) but certainly, they will spin it off somehow.. https://www.yahoo.com/news/religious-looking-trump-protections-081209487--politics.html.

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  I know the JWs would not necessarily take advantage of this (or may be they would) but certainly, they will spin it off somehow.

  https://www.yahoo.com/news/religious-looking-trump-protections-081209487--politics.html
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  Does the Jehovah's Witnesses religoius cult create people with Narcissistic Personality Disorder ?

  by Finkelstein in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the american psychiatry association lists nine symptoms – if someone ticks five of these, they could have narcissistic personality disorder.

  the nine points of narcissism.

  has a grandiose sense of self-importance.. is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love.. believes that he or she is ‘special’ and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people.. requires excessive admiration.. has a sense of entitlement.. is inter-personally exploitative (takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends).. lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others.. is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her.. shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes.. .

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  While much research is ongoing, most personality issues are attributed to exposure. If you are surrounded by narcissists, then it is easy for you to become one.
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  Witnesses really hate it when you appear to leave.

  by schnell in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i have a certain customer, whom we will call sally.

  i know sally only by face and only through work.

  i am a truck driver on a local dedicated route, and i often deliver to her work.

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  It's a free country, you're free to leave a religion, and their own website CLAIMS that people can leave at any time.

  I mean, it's not a cult, now, is it?

  Anything a cult puts in claim, like the one you mentioned above is to be taken in context with the belief. Is like the following statement coming from an alcoholic...

  "I won't drink anymore.... or any less, just the same"

  In the case of the cults, the second part of the phrases are always omitted. The statement is not untruthful, is just incomplete. This way, outsiders and insiders can read it and accept it as truth but interpret it their own ways and both can be happy with what they read. Here is what I believe to be a few other incomplete assertions from the WT. Many of which, I believe, are grossly ignored or remain unmentioned, even by strong opposers of this cult. The part between parenthesis are the parts that are left out to interpretation or belief.

  - Abuse victims have a right to go to the authorities (but we have a right to DF you for doing so if you have no second witness)

  - Blood, beards, attire, entertainment choices are a matter of consciousness (The GB consciousness that is)

  - WT never claimed that non-JW will be killed during Armageddon (we just stated that they still have a chance to become one. No one has to die over this, if they do what we say)

  - We don't make collections! (That's right! we don't pass a contribution plate, we make YOU go to the plate, the one towards the entrance of the KH. That is the way to show submission! Bringing the plate to you would be spoiling you!)

  - We definitely do charitable work! (but we are firm believers that charity starts at home!)

  add your own...
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  What's preventing YOU from stopping meeting attendance?

  by nicolaou in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  we all 'exit' in our own way and at our own pace but i'm curious, why carry on stuffing yourself into that stiff suit and tie or meeting dress years after you realised the truth about 'the truth'?.

  they kept you a prisoner, what's stopping you from leaving now that you have the key to your own cell?.

  loved ones?

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  Family. Wife is mostly awake but does not want to risk the idea that her mom or brother may no longer want to talk to her. As it is, her brother does not really see us much and we don't see them much.

  Her sister have stopped attending a long time ago. However, since they live out of town, my brother in law can pretend that he does not know what they are up to. So convenient, isn't it. But if my wife stopped attending, it would be seen by everyone in the congo. Sometimes I wish I could move.

  Teaching the truth? What truth? The only "truth" I would risk believing out of a JW meeting is the attendance count for the day.
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  JW.org website and Matt 6:1-4

  by NikL in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  saw the news story on jw.org this morning about all the help they are sending to congo after flooding there.

  yay for them!

  oh wait!.

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  StarTrekAngel

  The WT never does anything for free. Chances are that there is some sort of program or later benefit they would get from doing this. Kind of like when they were in with the UN, they may have to advertise their actions in order to get later recognition whenever they request their kickback.
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  Finally, after almost 3 years, they want to visit with me

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so i ended up going to the meeting yesterday.

  i have been absent for almost 2 months.

  my wife was also absent as long but mostly out of chance.

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  Well they did come after all. Funny that regardless of how much they promised to respect our privacy, I guess the message was not really that clear.

  Let me backtrack a little since I definitely agree with the sentiment in your responses. I was expecting them to come for more than just a hangout. We still opened the door to their visit as I mentioned. They ended up confirming and we prepared a meal. Got some wine to help me stay relaxed and not scream my head off. Like I said, they are indeed very nice people and I really expected them to make good of their word.

  And they did....... to a degree.

  When they arrived, I went to get the door and as soon as I walked in, I noticed he was carrying his ipad. Not a good sign, I thought but may be, just may be, he had to take it away from his children so that they may socialize a bit instead of putting their heads down into the tablet. We had a nice meal and pleasant conversation regarding just family trips and experiences with kids (The funny type). Once we had dessert and the conversation was toning down he asked me if it was ok for him to play some videos with experiences of brothers. I said that was ok.

  He played three videos of handicapped JW or people with terminal illnesses that were preaching happily despite their obstacles. So basically the message for me is that I have some sort of condition that seems to cripple me in my activities. I am not sure what to make of it but that is fine. What actually played well for me is that the very same morning, my wife and I had a very pleasant discussion on the shortcoming of the WT as a charity and how deceitful their interpretations of "works of mercy" was. Just the last Sunday it was said that works of mercy meant preparing for and attending meetings. Funny enough, one of the videos they showed us was the one about Phelicity Sneesby. The young JW that died due to a heart condition but had to be flown back to Australia in her last days. The WT used her for propaganda but did not put a penny towards the trip back home. Today I sent her the link so that she could see. Seeing that video was certainly a great leeway to continue showing my wife just how deceitful and evil this organization is. So, a very positive visit if you ask me.

  Once they left, my wife was like "Well that went better than I expected". I guess she did expect them to dig for information and they did not.