Posts by Pronger1

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Resurrection without a soul that survives death.

by Pronger1 in

one thing (among many) that always bothered me about jw teachings is what happens to the soul when we die.

sure god could be capable of creating a body and implanting it with all of our life experiences an memories.

but how would not be a just a clone instead of being actually us?

Pronger1

One thing (among many) that always bothered me about JW teachings is what happens to the soul when we die. Sure God could be capable of creating a body and implanting it with all of our life experiences an memories. But how would not be a just a clone instead of being actually us? The only way to get around that is some essence or soul that exists even beyond physical death that makes us who we are, not just a collection of facts about what we observed and thought in our life times.

If technology developed to the point that all of our memories could be copied into another body, that would just be a copy or a clone. It wouldn't be us. So logically it seems there is something more there, a soul. Otherwise, no one would ever truly be resurrected. God would be creating a copy of us.

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A JW can actually debate without repercusion from the Society?

by donny in

i ran across a debate on you tube between a jw and a "christian" believer.

did the society recently relax their stand against doing public debates?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkjbsxm6_ue.

Pronger1

Stafford left the org? Haha that is hilarious. I remember all the debates he was involved in on the old H2O board in the late 1990s.

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DINOSAURS - INFECTION AND INJURY

by Bloody Hotdogs! in

i've been dying to ask this question for years:.

jws love to say they are not young earth creationists.

surely, then, they must accept that dinosaurs lived long before humans and original sin.

Pronger1

Beyond that JWs claim that before the flood not even animals are other animals. It extends to their belief that in the new system lions won't eat lambs. JWs claim that the dinosaurs died off before or at the flood. But then how do they explain evidence of dinosaurs with meat in their stomachs?

http://m.livescience.com/22809-diinosaur-gut-contents.html

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Worst Ever Field Service Experiences

by dozy in

generally i found most people were pretty apathetic and often surprisingly tolerant , but we've all had some bad ones.

looking back , here were my worst couple of experiences - there probably were others but i've probably long forgotten them or blanked them off.. i was a kid of maybe 13 & it was bitterly cold & pouring with rain.

i was working alone in a middle class street near my school where i knew a lot of my school teachers lived & was scared stiff at every door half the time pretending to press bells , doing the fake knock etc.

Pronger1

I was an early teen and went to a door with a friend. The woman who answered it began yelling at us and threatening to call the police. She was an alder woman and ordered us to leave the neighborhood immediately for soliciting. It ended up getting escalated to HQ legal department.

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Duck Watchtowercy

by Defianttruth in

with phil robertson getting the boot within a day of his comments by a&e, what would happen if the lbg community started calling all of the venue managers of their convention arenas and exposing them for the hate group they are today?

just a thought.

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Pronger1

People these days are actively looking for opportunities to be offended to push their beliefs. He is being criticized for responding to a question about his own opinions on sin.

i think two gay guys going at it is gross. I think two good looking women going at it is hot. But that is because I am attracted to women as I am a straight male. It doesn't mean I look down on gay men because of what they do in their bedroom. if someone just took my comment out of context and picked on the first sentence of this paragraph, they could use that to make me look bad.

Today there is a hypocrisy going on. People are shouting for tolerance of their beliefs yet turn and attack those who hold a different belief. I find so much negativity and hate in this world that I am more and more tuning out watching the news or reading articles about people getting all worked up over such issues. All it does is upset me. I'd rather focus on good.

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What is Wesley Benner (C.O.) up to these days?

by bats in the belfry in

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for those who don't know: he is the one that axed ray franz..

Pronger1

Not sure. I found it interesting that one of the "sisters" who testified against Ray Franz, her husband, Bob Daley was on my judicial committee. I previously had a lot of respect for Bob Daley, until the interrogation. He accused me of watching a pornographic movie. The movie was "A Long Kiss Goodnight". The movie with Samuel L Jackson and Geena Davis. I tried to explain that it wasn't even close to pornography, but he didn't accept it because of the title and that it was R-rated. It didn't matter than he never verified his charge against me.

In Ray's account, Bob Daley and his wife twice had dinner with Peter Gregerson AFTER the org changed their stance on associates with DA'd individuals. Yet "Sister" Daley hypocritically testified that she had seen Ray Franz eating with Peter Gregerson. Needless to say, it opened my eyes up to what kind of people they were on top of my experience with Bob Daley slandering me in the judicial committee meeting.

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JW ban on blood-transfusion is hung upon nothing!

by abiather in

if the blood of a perfect man could be used for saving man eternally,.

why cant the blood of an imperfect human be used for saving man temporarily?.

Pronger1

abiather,

While I do not agree with the organization's beliefs, I fail to see your point. No one received a blood transfusion from Jesus. Jesus' blood was spilled upon the ground when stabbed by the Roman soldier. Jesus' blood saving mankind is just symbolic, not literal.

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Blame it on the Boogy!!!

by quellycatface in

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was chatting to one of my brainy colleagues at work and telling him a bit about my jw exit etc...... he asked a few questions and then we got onto singing for some reason.

he said that having music, singing or even chanting at religous gatherings makes the brain for "receptive" to suggestions and indoctrination.

wtf, i said!!!

Pronger1

Yes.

http://www.cracked.com/article_16656_6-brainwashing-techniques-theyre-using-you-right-now.html

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The Feeling Good Handbook -- by David Burns

by Billy the Ex-Bethelite in

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my psychiatrist recommended this book, the feeling good handbook by david d. burns, md, to me a couple years ago.

this book has been mentioned on the forum several times before, but i thought i found some things threadworthy in it.

it's a big book of 732 pages.

Pronger1

LV101, The Feeling Good Handbook is a sequel to the Feeling Good book you previously read.

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COMPETITION IN THE CONGREGATION!

by ADJUSTMENTS in

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there always seemed to be a level of unspoken competition within the congregation.

wether it be between elders, ms, pioneers, etc... who's kids are doing more, who gets more hours out, who comments the most or the best, who gives the best parts, whos kids are the best, who has the better car, who has the better house, who has the better job and so on... it's not openly discussed but you can discern it through conversations, sometimes you can hear undertones of jealousy or meddling in others business, this always bothered me!

if this is gods organization whats with all the jealousy and competiton, i would see other religions or organizatons with less of these issues and question it!.

Pronger1

I agree, I have see the competition within the congregation when I was a member. But in the 17 years I've been out I have been able to reflect with more clear thought. I let my own insecurities about whether I was doing enough or good enough weigh on me. I let these insecurities embed themselves deep inside me. I never felt worthy of relationships or friendships. That everyone around me was better than me. I still struggle with it at times. I don't blame anyone for me being and having been this way. But I struggle with and work on every day the idea that I do not have to measure myself against anyone else. I am who I am and those who truly care about me have respect for me. I am learning that I do not have to impress everyone.

When I was a youth, I was worried about my speech writing abilities, if I am getting too old for not being baptized (I waited until I was 16). I worried if I had a deep enough understanding of the religion, if I was getting enough privileges in the congregation so others wouldn't see me as weak like I had heard in gossip about others. Gossip that included talk about whether or not even "weak" individuals in the congregation were good association.

I cared far too much about what others thought of me.