Posts by kaik

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So ... Russia and Nato at war? Should we be worried?

by Simon in

it seems unbelievable but turkey (a nato member state) shooting down a russian jet fighter on their syrian border seems to be "meh" news and no one is too bothered about it too much.. the world seems a bit upside down right now.

i don't think a lot of countries really know who the hell they are fighting and who is and isn't on their side in it all and really what is going on.. smaller incidents than this have led to major conflicts in the past but hopefully calm heads will prevail.

china shot down a us spy plane years ago and the world survived and forgot about it so things will move on i'm sure.. i'm guessing the price turkey pays for their gas supply from russia will be going up soon though.. man, that republican primary is sucking all the news attention from the room.

kaik

I am more worried on proxy war escalation. Russia will not start war with NATO, but it will punish Turkey. Russia will not let anyone crap on her, but it will calculate political cost on internal scene. The best way Russia can punish Turkey is to support Kurdish separatism.

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Elder harassed my mom and asked for donation

by kaik in

my mom had surgery last month and she developed complication and had to be on antibiotics to treat infection.

so, she is recovering slowly, but things was tough on her and she was not attending kh or went to assembly two weeks ago.

nonetheless, elder showed up at her place and instead providing her with comfort he started to harass her that her faith is weak, she does not put trust in jah, etc.

kaik

My mom had surgery last month and she developed complication and had to be on antibiotics to treat infection. So, she is recovering slowly, but things was tough on her and she was not attending KH or went to assembly two weeks ago. Nonetheless, elder showed up at her place and instead providing her with comfort he started to harass her that her faith is weak, she does not put trust in Jah, etc. On the top of it, he asked if she can contribute donation because overseer will be back in town and the KH needs money! This pissed her off and she started to argue with the elder that the overseer and his wife should work instead living off from congregations. They should not be in debt to anyone. The elder left, and went to my sister and complained. Now my mom is depressed and upset. I am pissed because she is still not doing well, and needs time to recover. Even my niece told me that grandma was depressed, and my mom is not person who gets depressed easily.

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Revelation - it's grand climax is at hand

by Listener in

some people point out the subliminal pictures in the wtbts publications but sometimes things are just so obvious, such as the title of the book above.. the person who came up with the title for this book must have had a good old laugh.. interestingly, this book first came out in 1988 and has not been included in the online library but nothing has replaced it.

the org is really going backwards when they ditch old light and cannot come up with anything new.

they are real wankers ;)..

kaik

Can you guys clarify what is meant by types and anti-types, and what the WTS has said about it not being scriptural? I havnt heard about that yet. I appreciate it guys, thanks.

Typology is a doctrine which believes that events/things/individuals in the Old Testament has a parable or meaning in the New Testament and Christianity. For example WT doctrine on Noah Ark: people survived Flood by association with Noah and stepping into vessel. WT antitype is that people survive Armageddon by associating with WT and stepping into Noah family of Jehovah Witnesses.

In a bigger picture, this doctrine is implemented for entire Christianity. The future King in Iz 9:1–6 is seen as a fulfillment of Jesus Christ. Type/antitype is not unique to WT, but all Christianity, where Jewish books were reinterpreted for religion based on the New Testament. No Jew can accept a belief of Jesus as a Messiah, but Christianity did exactly this by associating Jewish books for its theology. Christianity does not care that in Jewish beliefs is Jesus sacrifice meaningless (nobody can pay for anyone else sins, only you only are responsible for your own sins, there is not Adamic sins that is inherited by humanity, etc). Nonetheless, by using type/antitype doctrine they do and bend OT beliefs to fit their beliefs.

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Revelation - it's grand climax is at hand

by Listener in

some people point out the subliminal pictures in the wtbts publications but sometimes things are just so obvious, such as the title of the book above.. the person who came up with the title for this book must have had a good old laugh.. interestingly, this book first came out in 1988 and has not been included in the online library but nothing has replaced it.

the org is really going backwards when they ditch old light and cannot come up with anything new.

they are real wankers ;)..

kaik

This book caused me to walk out from WT cult. After reading it and studying, I realized it was all just man-made BS. Half of the book are just irrational construct attempted to wrap JW history into Revelation like conventions in Cedar Point are pouring bowls upon humanity. I still think it is must for anyone who is interested in JW reasoning and theology.

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ISIS "Satan is described as roaring lion who prowls the earth, seeking whom he may devour".

by James Mixon in

if you actually read the stories, satan doesn't do much other than to tempt people.

into disobeying the dictates of god, who acts like a heavenly dictator with borderline.

personality disorder.

kaik

Jewish teaching on Satan is actually positive. He is not adversary of G-d, but someone employed by him to collect evidence on your misdeed. Satan is not opposite of G-d or someone who torture person in afterlife in some hellish underworld. This is all Christian invention.

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Stop the war

by Diogenesister in

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=d9bk76nb6bk please watch this link to a really great american video which features a touching clip of a dad trying to treasure & explain things to his son as they are both caught up in the paris attacks.

it starts with an interview with a muslim victim of the attacks and ends with wise words on the effects of war on kids everywhere , including american sanctioned drone strikes in syria.

its about 10 mins long..

kaik

I saw it on tv and it is naive. It is not much different when I was school child during the Cold War under communists, and we were had to manifest for world without nuclear weapons and military, while outside my school we had Soviet base and tanks. Robespierre did use child propaganda as well. In 1794 prior his execution, at the height of his power, and the peak of the Terror, he paraded with 8-9 years of girls in the nice dresses through the streets of Paris and denounced the enemies of the state and warmongers, while guillotine beheaded 50-70 people daily.

The West, USA, Russia, and China needs to realize that they are in war with aggressive Islamic ideology which wants to destroy them. Destroying ISIS in necessary step to break this ideology. Children Crusades in 1200s or small child used in propaganda peace talk after such tragedy as Paris will not stop this ideology. Thousands more people will die and lets hope they will not get hold on WMD.

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Who would you vote for Today?

by James Mixon in

jw
friends

d. trump or h. clinton and why.. i would vote for gun slinging trump..

kaik

I do not like either. I do not think wife of president should be a president. This creates a feeling of nepotism and oligarchy. Trump is populist and knows shit of international politics and he will be a disaster on internal and external scene. Nonetheless, people love populist speeches and easy solutions without thinking of consequences. Today he wants to put all Muslims into database, couple weeks ago he think he will through executive order deport 12 millions people (without thinking how much logistical nightmare it would be for USA). He is not capable to be a president, but many do his ideas. Hillary is too gray, she does not seem to have much own ideas and it is difficult to see what she stands for.

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Old Books and Magazines

by twice shy in

it's been a minute since i was here.

question?

what to do with old books and magazines?

kaik

My mom has all the WTs and books for the past 40 years. She got them bounded. My JW cousins told her that she needs to get rid off them because they are old light and can cause apostasy. My mom does not want to throw them away, so I recommend her to donate to either university library, state archives, or national institute on religious studies. Some countries like I grew up did not had free JW and the publications were illegal. So it is often difficult for students and researches to get good collection of underground print.

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Massive Plunge in Number of New JW Congregations from 1990 to 2014

by steve2 in

in a separate thread on the very latest figures for the current world wide annual report of jws, discussion turned to how "we'll know decline has really set in.

one of the posters said: .

the figure that interests me most is the number of congregations.

kaik

There was no divine intervention but Communism collapsed. Who'd have thought?

Many people knew it, but nobody could see it how. Everyone was afraid of violent collapse of the communist system. It was well armed, it had nukes, tanks, militarized forces outside regular DoD, and unlimited resources to squeeze population. However, in the mid 1980's, there were articles in the semi-official press that the communist regime will economically disintegrate by mid 1990's. Institutions and economic research centers calculated when industrial plants, transportation, and utilities will collapse due lack of funding, spare parts, and later even energy. To me going and be part of the process was a great moment, and it was one of the best period of my life.

Many JWs I knew joined WT cult because they expected a divine intervention to change the political system. When my father was purged from job and stripped all benefits, military grade, and social prestige in the 1968/1969, my JW relatives used it to start a book study with my parents. We used to go to GGF summer house in the mountains, and studied there with them. My parents suddenly were getting hope. Big change (1975) was couple years away, and mighty heavenly warriors would smash all these Soviets tanks on the streets. Many in that time believed it. For reason not known to anyone, my father decided not to get baptized, only mom did. He just told me that WT reasoning is based on BS and not supported by bible.

I wonder if the elder who dreamed Armageddon and angels smashing Red Army tanks was disappointed that the system collapsed on its own. I noticed that JW were totally unprepared on the changes and could not grasp such issue like sudden freedom to worship. It was like letting bird out of the cage, but the bird is not stepping out. The first open field service we had and divided territory was done by sister who was always outspoken, open minded, and sincere (I really liked her). Once the elders disagreed on it and said that we need to wait for the official opinion. Her answer was, "see the big estate development out there with high rises? We need to spread the news before the "A" comes and I just do not want to sit and wait for an answer from Brooklyn!

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1914—The Turning Point in History - Really?

by berrygerry in

1914the turning point in history.

30 from the human standpoint, the world troubles and global wars foretold in the bible were far from the thinking of the pre-1914 world.

german statesman konrad adenauer said: thoughts and pictures come to my mind, .

kaik

Other issue with WWI is that it was trench warfare where most of the destruction happened there. Core of the states were not destroyed. In European war theater, it meas that devastation occurred in northern France and Belgium, Venetia region of Italy, Serbia, Poland and Galicia. While material and human toll was huge, there was little physical destruction in Germany and Austria-Hungary, or provinces outside the trench warfare