Posts by kaik

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Welfare and Witnesses

by adjusted knowledge in

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i'm ignorant to the social welfare programs outside the us, but listening to others i have to assume in europe it is more generous.

i've not had deep personal conversation with active witnesses for nearly 20 years.

last year i made contact with a family and some elders came to my house.

My cousin is an elder and he is on disability from the age 28. He never worked physically, but has plenty of time to milk welfare, free housing while doing all this field work for the least +/-25 years.

Elders in my KH was investigated for welfare fraud couple years ago. He and his wife claimed no income, so they got government housing and allowance. They both are active JWs with field service. However, they had under the table illegal income which was eventually traced by the tax agency and were charged with fraud. The city kicked them out of the public housing and they were also tried to run away to foreigner country. I could ask my mom how many of JWs in her congregation are on welfare and are capable to work.

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What Jehovah's Witnesses need to do to become Mainstream

by FusionTheism in

i was raised a jehovah's witness, so i know all the "ins-and-outs" of their theology and belief system..

in my view, they can become a part of mainstream christianity and lose their cult status by making just a few changes for the better:.

1: stop their severe shunning practices.

kaik

JW faith cannot become mainstream because its essential foundation and thinking is isolation, extremism, and anti-establishement. Many mainstream religions established and justified their existence by symbiosis with the executive government, as was the case with Roman and Greek Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy, or Protestantism. JWs cannot become mainstream, because it will lose its anti-establishment appeal which is praised so much on the WT pedestal. Their faith is not built upon possibility to create executive government unlike other extreme evangelical and fundamentalist religions who would not have problem to establish ISIS version of christian theocracy. Even their version of 1000 millennial reign is naive the best.

JW cult fills the niche in religion demand, where people look into a faith which is not part of any political system. The issue of becoming mainstream religion was already debated decade ago and many ex-JWs believed that it will follow Mormon and 7DA church which are fairly mainstream churches. Nothing of this had happened, and I do not see it happening in any time soon.

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"I cant wait to meet Abraham!"

by stuckinarut2 in

"i can't wait to meet abraham" was the eager comment made by a young 7 year old witness girl.. when asked why, she said "because he was jehovahs friend, and he was even willing to kill his own son!".

this comment was said with joy and excitement!

she can't see the obvious issues with this?.

kaik

Poor dubs believed in 90 years ago, they will meet him in San Diego.

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Questions about the Flood for Brother Jeramy

by cappytan in

how long did the flood last?how long can land vegetation survive submerged in seawater?how long can freshwater fish survive in saltwater?how old is human civilization?

what is the oldest settlement in south america?

how did those people get there from the middle east after the flood wiped out everything on the earth?.

kaik

There was agricultural civilization in interglacial period in Europe which was destroyed by cooling temperature of the northern hemisphere after 15000 BC. This civilization of hunters and gatherers left countless traces in Central Europe with various clay statues known as venuses (Venus of Wilensdorf , Dolni Vestonice, Landek) for their body shapes. These people lived 28000-18000 BC but disappeared in the last glacier period which lasted for another 7000 years. The glacial and interglacial period is well documented and highly visible in European and Northern American landscapes. Flora, fauna, and entire eco-climate had changed irreversibly.

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Questions about the Flood for Brother Jeramy

by cappytan in

how long did the flood last?how long can land vegetation survive submerged in seawater?how long can freshwater fish survive in saltwater?how old is human civilization?

what is the oldest settlement in south america?

how did those people get there from the middle east after the flood wiped out everything on the earth?.

kaik

There is no whatsoever scientific proof on global flood in recent geological times. Hydroplate theory is a pseudoscientific concept easily rebuffed by earth science peer review material.

For example there is no discontinuity of forests in the northern hemisphere since the last ice age. Wood is well preserved to analyze all the tree rings as far as back as 8000 BC. We can even trace two major volcanic eruptions in the Bronze age (Thera and Hekkla) which happened around the so called Global Flood. These two major eruptions had left deep marks upon the atmosphere and on climate, such as decrease of temperature for several decades that science can even pinpoint them with accuracy of several years in Europe, Middle East, and Asia. There are so many issues with the global Flood in 2200BC that even mainstream churches (Catholic, European Protestants, and Orthodox) accepted it as a myth. The exceptions are fundamentalist evangelical churches having grassroots support in USA.

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Well, I asked a question and his answer blew me away

by Lost his mind in

first time, been lurking for years, but i asked my husband who has been studying for 20 plus years if he has ever questioned those that were "teaching" him.

blew my mind.

i ask him all the questions that you have asked yourself, but he will not ask them.

kaik

Lost his mind... sorry for your spouse problem and I would like to welcome you on the board. It is hard to deal with JWs and they are irrational. Sometimes the divorce is the way out before the cult destroys both. However, have you tried to have one on one bible study without even touching anything published by WT? One thing is that JWs do not know much bible and their doctrines are irrational and contradicting. This could help him to see the fallacy of their reasoning.

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August 2015 WT - Let's Review the BS Children

by InjusticeSystem in

found these gems in this edition:.

- keep in expectation!- prepare now for life in the new worldthe passing of time should not cause us to lose hope thatkingdom blessings will be realized.

there are solid reasonsto keep our scriptural expectations alive.

kaik

WT cannot throw away 1914 nonsense. They will have to slowly dilute the meaning of the year and pushed into distant memory before they will remove it from their theology and totally get rid of it. It will be long process, but it seams that it started already in the mid 1990's with overlapping generations and they will eventually deny that they ever claim it as the start of the heavenly kingdom. WT still claimed in early 1920's that the end of the time started in 1799 in Napoleon's invasion of Rome.

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my intro to the JW world

by rebelfighter in

someone suggested that i should introduce myself and how i got here.

this has been a crash course in the jw world.

i got an email that said "good bye, have a nice life".

kaik

of course bellasmile I know what cult is, I grew up in it, and I do not have whatsoever defend it. Do you? Got idea on anything or you just babble around? Never mind, you just babble around. Yes you bellawithsoursmile.

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my intro to the JW world

by rebelfighter in

someone suggested that i should introduce myself and how i got here.

this has been a crash course in the jw world.

i got an email that said "good bye, have a nice life".

kaik

As LisaRose had said, many JWs had double persona, and many would not mind to abuse Bible, WT regulation, or even human laws, as long it will provide them with new souls in their fishing net. Deceit is acceptable in WT cult as long secure them extra literature and study hours for their report cards.

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"The organisation is imperfect, but it doesn't affect my relationship with Jehovah"

by Alive! in

i've noted active, devoted jw's state the above.. and, it's not a problem for me to remain trusting of god, i just don't trust religions or men.. recently, a member of this forum stated that he remains an active jw, in the family of god's people, wanting to encourage and do good - whilst recognising that the pastoral leaders (the gb) have shipwrecked the faith of many, being unsound scripturally etc, etc.. stop and think about this - the bible says to not follow after those who lie and hurt the faith of "little ones".. the pharisees were accused of traversing over lands and expending much energy to make a single convert - only for that convert to end up worse of than he started off with.. it's one thing to not believe this is the 'truth' and feeling the awful pressure of managing ones life, trying not to lose ones family.. it's quite another thing to declare oneself to be a christian believer of god's jw household, and somehow believe the god of love would use corrupt liars to parade as jesus' brothers in the urgency of last days.

really?

and, to then visibly promote faith in corrupt men, and try to bring converts into a place where the rulership is wrong.. some of us are dying from hurt here.......give me a break..

kaik

Fisherman, you worthless dub, I glad that you confirmed that I can post whatever, and plus bonus from you is that I can believe whatever I want. However, I don't need your permission.

Now as outlaw had posted go sit in the corner, dumbass!