Posts by kaik

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What is God's Kingdom?

by Gods_Kingdom in

what is god's kingdom?

some say it is in your heart.

some say it is heaven.

Just rolling my eyes. I kinda find it insulting form G_K to say that many of us who were associated with JW & WT do not know Bible nor have not read it. Many of the information G_K provides is mashup of various doctrines from WT but reciting biblical verses, but often missing important information all together.

Additionally, G_K, why you think that this forum is for Christians only or anyone just to hear Christian nonsense? As someone who is married to person of Jewish faith I find it disrespectful to have Christian views to pushed through my throat. To me what is written in the NT does not have any authority and this is NOT your door-to-door field service. If you want to debate your faith, you have to realize that first of all, not everyone is Christian and many ex-JWs are religiously indifferent to atheist.

Your diatribe reminds me why I have left KH 21 years ago, and why I do not respect Christianity.

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Where is it said , not to independently do deep study of scripture

by william draper in

i do believe it is written somewhere in jw literature .

kaik

I do not remember the specific publication, but in the late 1980's there was an order to case all personal bible study mini groups. Back in the late 1970's through early 1980's there were Bible studies done at the home. Generally, people would pick a chapter or two and they studied and debate it among the others. Later these bible studies were forbidden. It kinda felt that Bible was apostate literature and we should study only WT literature. I believe these warnings were regular as I have seen them in older publications from 1920's.

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Do JWs Try To Convert Believers Of Islam?

by minimus in

jw
friends

or do they regard them as they do ultra conservative jews and not waste their time with them, since as a people, they willfully abandoned jesus christ?

kaik

I think there is also assumption that Arabic speaking people are only Muslim. There are also Christian Arabs since the time of late Antiquity and they follow old traditional Christianity. Syrian Christians or Iraq Christians are one of the many Arab speaking Christians.

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why did man go from living 900 years to 90?

by sowhatnow in

i cant recall the scripture, where it says than only a few men will he live to be 80 years or so, can anyone recall that?.

so then im wondering, if it is a fact that men lived long years 900 in some cases, for what reason would god limit our lifespan if our time is so short compared to his?.

how on earth does man go from living 8 and 9 hundred years down to 80 to 100 ?.

kaik

Gods_kingdom very interesting construct on faith that does not have whatsoever base in the OT and NT. As Viviane said, where what book do you got this ideas from? I do not even recall these in the KH study. Jews do not teach it either, nor Catholic church...

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Can they disfellowship my father?

by cookiemaster in

this has nothing to do with my facebook endeavors.

when the elders visited us last week, they also discussed my father.

my mother called them about him.

kaik

Abusive parent relationship is bad. I was a friend with JW woman who had violent mother, who was known all over the village for her temper. As a small girl she got beat up by her regularly, and her father succumbed to alcoholism. In one of her mom rage, she took a knife a chased her around the house until neighbors had to intervene. What I have heard she moved out, left KH, and never talked to her parents again. Generally there is tendencies for violence and abuse from a father, but I have heard and seen when mothers could turn into monsters.

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CO says "WE ARE NOW AT THE THRESHOLD OF THE THE GREAT TRIBULATION!"

by nowwhat? in

40-50 years after saying "armegeddon is right around the corner" we are now making progress!!!.

gotta have a sense of humor to deal with this stuff..

kaik

Unfortunately, my mom did not plan for retirement, has not savings, so she is surprised to have 80 years knocking on her door. 40 years ago my JW aunt and her extensive family insisted that Armageddon will be just behind the corner. Thanks that my mom worked for 40 years and she gets good pension; and I paid her house off, so she does not have any housing expenses except utilities. I know JWs at her age group, who are totally depended on social welfare and charity because they do not have sufficient social security credits, and no savings. This is in Europe where the social nest is a bit good. I also know several old JWs who use Catholic charity for food deliveries, otherwise, they would starve and live on very low food minimum. My mom tells me regularly that some of her peers envy her stable pension and complain that she worked instead putting Jehovah on first place. Last year elderette attacked my mom for putting only $5 dollars per week into KH fund and she told her that she could afford to put more.

It would be interesting to see how many JWs live in poverty and below minimum earnings in industrialized countries. In the Czech Republic they have the LOWEST education level from all questioned religious groups in decennial censuses. Low education comes hand to hand with poverty. I am not sure how is it in the Western Europe or Northern America, but in ex-communist block these people are on the bottom of social ladder.

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Anti-JW billboard going up in Texas

by sunny23 in

the first ever billboard has been crowd funded on reddit and will be going up.

i'm curious to know if it will cause a spark in any jw's who already have questions or doubts and lead them to research into the child abuse cases and lead them to the thought that the wt and gb are not inspired or gods mouthpiece.

at the very least it will provide people a topic of conversation and questions to the jw's who knock on their door: "so whats this whole sex abuse in kingdom halls thing about i saw on the billboard down the road?

kaik

I do not think it will reach the targeted audience - JWs in WT.

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OMG once and for all, whats this idea of a three fold prophesy??

by sowhatnow in

well it happened again, i got annoyed at my mom telling me all about the co visit , and i couldn't help myself, i said' oh god mom its like the pope is visiting, all that info can be told with the regular elders you don't need 'special' people .. subjects ensue,.

she says 'your misled, your so wrong, no one else on the planet has the beliefs that we do, we are the only ones with the truth, i dont follow men, bla bla.. , 40 minuets... , misquotes all over the place, isaiah this and that, yada yada ' j"vah has to have an earthy organization to give us the proper food, bla bla.

i say ' no jesus is gods mediator, we don't need men and were told not to listen to men for they are imperfect.

kaik

I heard the theology of threefold prophecy in the past outside JWs. I believe it was borrowed from fundamentalist evangelical movements in the 19th century. First prophecy was for Ancient Jews, second for early Christians, and the third prophecy was for a modern times.

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Can they disfellowship my father?

by cookiemaster in

this has nothing to do with my facebook endeavors.

when the elders visited us last week, they also discussed my father.

my mother called them about him.

kaik

Elders can DFs anyone without any reason or cause. If they decide that you do not belong to WT, they can DFs you on any grounds whatsoever. I knew people who were DFs for citing Bible as defense and they were booted right there. I knew a person who was DFs for upheld belief in older publication and was not willing to accept the new light as it was not making much sense. He was out.

If you live in Europe, almost every country in EU has laws against animal abuse and what your father did, can be considered felony. At least in the Czech Republic animal abuse of dogs and cat is a felony where first offense is punishable up to two years and second offense up to five years in prison.

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Do JWs Try To Convert Believers Of Islam?

by minimus in

jw
friends

or do they regard them as they do ultra conservative jews and not waste their time with them, since as a people, they willfully abandoned jesus christ?

kaik

Only JWs who ever were successful in coverts of Muslims were in Yugoslavia. There was actually very large JW community in Bosnia in Sarajevo. Judging by the name back under Tito, many of these converts were from Islam background and families. One interesting fact in Bosnia was that urban areas were dominantly Muslim owning legacy of Ottoman empire where Muslim people were intelligentsia of the administration. Rural areas was Christian Orthodox. But this was before the Bosnian war and I do not know how it changed since then.