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  your favourite Christmas music , and merry Christmas to you all

  by jhine in

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  i am perhaps a bit behind on this but i have just listened to " grandma got run over by a reindeer " sung by elmo and patsy .

  it got me to thinking about christmas songs in general ,so i thought a thread about people's favourite christmas songs would be good .

  please share your fave christmas music , a carol or something more modern .to start i will list my best carol as hark the herald and my best ever chart song as santa claus is coming to town by bruce springsteen .

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  Adeste Fidelis, popular baroque Xmas song

  http://youtu.be/ti09gHCWQEs
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  If I Were Still A JW I Would Think We Had To Be Living At The Time Of The End!

  by minimus in

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  with all the terrible things happening on this earth, i bet most witnesses feel that jehovah god has to step in..

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  Every generation of Xtians believed that they were the last one and that their years are something special prior the end of the times. History is full of these examples where baptised fools insisted that Christ's kingdom is at the sight. When Alaric sacked Rome in 410, majority of Xtians saw it the symbol of the upcoming Jesus rule as they could not imagine world without Roman power. Thousands of refuges fled to Jerusalem to await Jesus return and millions of more around the known world seen sign everywhere. Alaric died, Roman collapse did not end the world, and Christ had not returned. Augustine wrote hsi monumenal work of City of God that he pushed the invisible presence into Jesus rule in the heaven. Similar mass hysterias happened with the collapse of Frankish Empire or 999. Thousands of literature was written in these 20 centuries to explain the end as proof of the divine inspiration of NT. Another 20 centuries will pass and Xtians will recycle the same nonsense.
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  What were the calculations used to arrive at the 1874 date of Christ's return?

  by Zoos in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  we all know the calculations used by the wt to arrive at 1914. fall of babylon in 607 (false year), gentile times, no zero year, ta-da, 1914.. what did they use before that?

  i know it wasn't russell who came up with it - he just adopted it.

  i'm just curious what they had to explain away when they made the transition.. .

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  Vidiot, you are correct on this one. Russell was probably never seriously challenged intellectually with his beliefs, because he continued to spew a lot of nonsense for his time which could be verified by theology, history, archology, and scholary research. He alone admitted at the court that he did not know Greek, so he was self studied preacher who was inventing stuff as he continued to write. His writting has many logical gaps, but this did not hinder him to be the most successful preacher/charlatan of his times. He believed that Portugal and Austria-Hungary were one of the horns of the beast and the abbyss was a period of imprisonment of Pope Pious VI by Napoleon. Russell borrowed some shit from 7DA, who held these views. He was hardly original.
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  The best way to debate JW's without being labeled an apostate

  by cookiemaster in

  1. watchtower
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  hey guys!

  here's what i found to be the best way (for me at least) to debate jw's without earning the laber of apostate.

  this is mostly valid when debating jw's that don't know you personally, but it could help with those that do too.

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  The best way to debate with JWs is using their own literature, but this still does not guarantee any result. Even self bible study could be seen as a heresy and majority of JWs are not even aware what is written there, but they will know their own crap from the WT and Awake without making any connection. I found that debating bible with JWs relatives is pointless, but they get lost when you use their own brochures to point nonsense in their teaching. However, they may still insist that old light is apostate and people were DFs for using old teaching or uphelding in their beliefs. For JWs is not important what bible says or what WT published 10-15-25 years ago, but momentary doctrines and loyalty to FDS.
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  After Six Months of Hiatus, I can tell you the Watchtower is Starting to Crumble Faster than you think!

  by SanLuisObispoTruthSeeker in

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  i took a hiatus from jwn because the wall started to collapse because i lost several people ive known almost my entire life.

  these were people i thought would never die, the lies told by the watchtower is unforgivable!

  there was a party i attended keeping a low profile while documenting what was said.

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  WT is not crumbling, but is rebranding. WT would prefer smaller, but loyal pack of followers, who would venerate the leadership and secure well off livelihood. They can care less if they have 10 millions members who are lukewarm to their ideology, but they care about having core that will ensure their survival. WT is a totalitarian organization. In totalitarian regimes, the government does not care much about annoymous masses, but cares about the grassroot of the loyal supporters. When WT is becoming larger, and diverse, it is harder to control people on global scale.
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  What were the calculations used to arrive at the 1874 date of Christ's return?

  by Zoos in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  we all know the calculations used by the wt to arrive at 1914. fall of babylon in 607 (false year), gentile times, no zero year, ta-da, 1914.. what did they use before that?

  i know it wasn't russell who came up with it - he just adopted it.

  i'm just curious what they had to explain away when they made the transition.. .

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  Russell did not speculate, he believed his own shit. At least this is my perception reading his publications. He was extremely disappointed when his prophesies and secret mysteries of Bible did not come through. I would be interesting if he made it another three years to see the end of WWI. I do not see he ever deviated from 1874 nonsense. Addition to his work were done by Rutherford after his death, which tried to twist the 1874 fiasco by 1919. However, it was not until the Great Depression when the 1874 was moved 40 years later and when it was clear that nobody from 1799 was anymore alive.
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  Christmas markets - apparently fine for JW's to attend

  by FeelingFree in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this has got me really wound up and i feel the need to post.

  our friend an ex jw has just returned from a famous christmas market in germany, now my husband mentioned this to his mum as they have connections there.

  she got all excited about how amazing the german christmas markets are there and how she would of def gone to one this year if she had the time!

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  I love Xmas markets, and certainly Nuremberg has the nicest one I have been. I miss the time where you can buy roasted chestnut, and spiced hot red wine. And the cookies- walnut and hazelnut cocoa bear paws wrapped in sugar.
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  Elders and priests what 's the difference?

  by sparrowdown in

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  is being a "good" elder the same as being a "good" catholic priest?.

  is there any difference between representing the rcc and representing that other bastion of child abuse the wt?.

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  I agree with Oubliette that major difference is education. Catholic priests have at least four, but in general six years of university education. They have deep knowledge of history, sociology, literature, philosophy, and many of them studied social and natural science. Catholic universities are excellent and have good reputation. Some of the colleges have priests in their educational body. Can you imagine elders debating geology, advanced calculus, or roman history with Catholic priests?
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  Top 10 Signs that Jehovah's Witnesses Want to Disfellowship You:

  by OnTheWayOut in

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  2. humour

  i've posted these years ago and was reminiscing, so i thought i would share the laugh with you again.. top 10 signs that jehovah's witnesses want to disfellowship you:.

  10. there's two guys in suits staying all night outside your home in a four-door sedan.. 9. an elder you spoke to on the phone calls and asks you to repeat what you said the other day, but asks you to speak slowly and clearly.. 8. suddenly, jw friends stop by and ask an awful lot of the same questions.. 7. your laptop computer was moved, left on, or is missing.. 6. you left your car unlocked, it was thoroughly searched by someone but absolutely nothing is missing including your gps which was searched too.. 5. your boss asks if you are in trouble with the law or someone, stating some really polite men were asking about you and left some "tracts.".

  4. someone picked up the cigarette butts around your back porch.. 3. the bartender at your favorite nightspot asks if you have ever before seen the guys in the corner booth that have been ordering "cokes" all evening and pulling out a camera everytime you order a beer.. 2. you receive registered mail and you already served on a jury this year.. 1. your jw mother who finally had accepted that you will never go back starts begging you to either go back to the kingdom hall or move with no forwarding address.. .

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  1. You are not choosen to answer any question
  2. Suddenly everyone shuns you in the KH
  3. Two brothers who never cared about your existence decides to stop at your place to "see" how are you doing
  4. Nobody wants to go into field service with you because they have their own service area to engage
  5. You find out from relatives, neighbors, and friends that some wierd people ask about you.
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  What were the calculations used to arrive at the 1874 date of Christ's return?

  by Zoos in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  we all know the calculations used by the wt to arrive at 1914. fall of babylon in 607 (false year), gentile times, no zero year, ta-da, 1914.. what did they use before that?

  i know it wasn't russell who came up with it - he just adopted it.

  i'm just curious what they had to explain away when they made the transition.. .

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  The year of 1874 was not dropped from WT publications until the 1930's, so their parousia was preached 50 years after the fact. Another important year for WT was 1844 and 1878, where he calls the era until 1844 a perido of Jesus' disfavor and after spiritual ministry of 33.5 years, he choose C.T. Russell as his God's communication channel.