Unstoppable...
You can believe in a creator AND believe in evolution... that is called theistic evolution.
Unstoppable...
You can believe in a creator AND believe in evolution... that is called theistic evolution.
this is a very strange thing for me to do.
i have been an active witness for over 25 years.
i currently serve as an elder and i conduct the watchtower study.
Dear dog
I feel very much for you as I was in a similar situation. I was an elder but knew deep down that shunning is a wrong thing to do especially family members. After a shepherding call with a brother whose mother disassociated I couldn't bear it any longer. I also had some other doubts.
I am a very honest person and it really makes me sick to pretend things. So I wrote the elders that I would like to step back because of my doubts. I wrote in detail about shunning, that I can't approve of Jehovah ordering killings of children in the old testament and also in armaggeddon, that I don't believe the flood was global and therefore my conscience doesn't allow me to be an elder. They understood my decision and also my wife understood but was sad about it.
Then followed to years of studying many topics of my belief. I really tested my religion and I found out things that made it so hard to me to remain even a publisher. The last thing was the blood doctrin. I read most articles here in the medical folder. Especially the letter a brother called Vinny wrote and also the Jensen letters opened my eyes.
As my wife found out about my true feelings she became very cold towards me, she kind of thinks I betrayed her spiritually even though I am kind and tolerant to her.I hope that we can manage to stay together and that our relationship gets better. I can tell you I buried my doubts but they came back. I feel much better now because I followed myconscience. I am not an unbeliever. I still believe in a creator and kind of built my own faith based on pacifism, human rights and love towards humans and creation and science.I wish you all the best and think of you. You can always send me a private message. Daniel
i have had requests to add an article about beards and jehovah's witnesses.
it is interesting that there is virtually no statement that says a witness cannot have a beard, yet universally they do not have beards.
i have scoured quotes from all the threads on jwn, all references to beard on the cd watchtower library, and copies of elders letters that i have.
In Switzerland there are several brothers and even elders with full beards. I feel that in Switzerland those manmade rules are not overemphacised whereas in Germany english speaking countries the brothers are so strict in minor things.
In many congregations there are sisters wearing trousers for meeting and especially field service. That makes sense especially in winter whereas my friends told me that in Canada sisters have to wear a skirt when temperatures are even below 30.
These are manmade rules similar to the rules of the pharisees.
Hi kariott
I feel for you. Before you give up just tell him your feelings and that it can't go on like this.
If he is loving, caring and if you are important for him, then he should afterwards show by actions that he takes more time for you.
Daniel
i think to the benefit of all, i will write my comments of steven hassan's latest book, freedom of mind: helping loved ones leave controlling people, cults, and beliefs.. you can purchase the book in amazon.com, there is a kindle version which is very handy since you can read it wherever you have internet connection, or if you have an iphone, an ipad, android phone, etc.. you can get it here: .
http://www.amazon.com/freedom-mind-helping-controlling-beliefs-ebook/dp/b008haiwiw/ref=sr_1_1_bnp_1_kin?ie=utf8&qid=1384750710&sr=8-1&keywords=freedom+of+mind.
the first chapter talks about determining whether a particular group is a cult.. "destructive cults are distinguished by their use of deception and extreme influence.".
Thanks for your summary
how are we able to do this.. this is not an attempt to stir the pot or cause confusion but i was sitting here thinking of all the really horrid things that the old testament god did to people.
when i was a jw i just purposely put it to the back of my mind always trying to make an excuse.
when i was in field service and someone would ask me about it i would just change the subject.. however i have been reading alot of info lately here about how wonderful jesus is and how he is a direct representation of what god the father would be.
WT and other groups who believe the bible is infallible say:
1. Those nations (like canaanites) deserved it, as they did very bad things.
2. God gave life, God can take lives. Who are we to judge him?
3. God will have some reasons for his actions that we don't have.
Some of my friends and family say that Jehovah will ressurect some that he killed. They say it would have been better for the canaanite babies to be killed by the sword than to be left on their own to die.
I can't accept any of these explanations.
how are we able to do this.. this is not an attempt to stir the pot or cause confusion but i was sitting here thinking of all the really horrid things that the old testament god did to people.
when i was a jw i just purposely put it to the back of my mind always trying to make an excuse.
when i was in field service and someone would ask me about it i would just change the subject.. however i have been reading alot of info lately here about how wonderful jesus is and how he is a direct representation of what god the father would be.
Like you I put these horrible things (god ordering genocide, killing of babies, death penalty etc) just aside. As I became a father I couldn't do that anymore. So I studied a lot about it and came to the conclusion that the bible is not infallible and that the god there is just the tribal god of Israel and not the real creator.
I cannot believe anymore in such a god, ordering the cruelest acts everyone would be appalled if they happened today. My conscience doesn't allow that. I believe in a creator who is not graspable with our mind, unimaginable powerful and wise, who brought all natural laws into existence (and also the miracle for live to evolve) and gave freedom for all his works.
my wife has told her jw best friend and jw sister that she is givng up the religion!!
and there was i worrying about losing her when i left the cult.
and, to top it all, my 15 and 13 year old children are using their critical thinking skills and can see it all for what it is.
Wow that is wonderful.
Just one question. When you left the cult, how did you do it? Did you disassociate, disfellowship or fade? How did your wife and kids react when you left?
wtf....apparently there is a new letter that states that the age for qualify for christian couples for serving where there is a new has been raised to 65. previous it was 55 yrs of age..
The school is not only for couples, single brothers, now new also for single sisters.
So that means probably most students in the school are female.
in my plan to exit the jw i thought it would be good if i adhere to another faith group, not cultish as the jw but non trinitarian.. this is decided for the sake of my children (two sons)'s spritual safety.
i researched the internet and in the non trinitarian groups i found these christadelphian.
any idea about this group?.
Hi RIP
What about Unitarian Universalists (UU)?
They seem to me very tolerant and they have some very nice creeds.
All the best to you.
Daniel