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  TUTORIAL: Proving the GB and Watch Tower is guilty

  by Terry in

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  q: are you willing to admit the gb and the wts is wrong if the facts go against them?.

  proof text.

  proof text:.

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  pronomono

  Brilliant tutorial. As always...Thanks, Terry.
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  Disfellowed on 7/16/14 for sending a letter to my former congregation

  by spbondgirl007 in

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  2. friends

  it's been quite a while since i lasted posted anything on jwn.

  i was in hiding previously, but only because i wanted to avoid the shun gun until i had the opportunity to tell my former congregation what i think about the org./gb.

  i last attended a meeting over 2.5 years ago but it wasn't until june--when i earned my bachelor's degree--that i finally had the time to collect my thoughts and get them down on paper...i decided to write my letter in a style i felt would be most appealing to my target audience--jw's still under gb mind control --in the hope that at least a few would read it and actually "think".

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  pronomono

  Excellent, well thought-out letter.
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  Question about dinosaurs, prehistoric creatures, and the eventual appearance of humans.

  by pronomono in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so i was watching shark week a little while ago and i got to the episode on prehistoric sharks.

  they, of course, discussed megalodon, but they also talked about other sharks that were vicious, precise hunters.

  then i started thinking about other prehistoric creatures..... t-rex, raptors, etc...... all vicious animals.

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  DD, Very good explanation on where I've been thinking wrong for so long. So the fossil records???

  StAnn, As a "good JW" I came to the same conclusion about the Big Bang and evolution as you were taught. I've always thought that there was an explainable link between science and the Bible, even when the GB said no. I saw no reason why these couldn't be the tools Jehovah used in creation. Take evolution for instance. If evolution wasn't haphazard, if it was controlled by a higher-power, no longer is it natural-selection, but it is creation through evolution. I realize now that I have absolutely no proof of this but accept it as a real possibility because there is nothing to disprove it.

  ObjTruth, I can assure you my question is sincere. I'm a little goofy and that comes across in my posts sometimes. All posts will get an honest read. Behemoth is an excellent example of a creature that existed during man's lifetime. We have no proof as to what this really was. The GB says its a hippo, but the description does sound more like a diplodocus, but could easily have been an undiscovered-to-modern-man descendant of this dinosaur's family, or something entirely else. However, any mention of Behemoth goes hand-in-hand with Leviathan, which sounds much more different than the crocodile that the GB says it is. It evokes images of fear and trembling. If it was also a peaceful herbivore, there would be no reason to depict it as fearsome unless he's using his power to be master of his coconuts. Anyways, my OP is referring more to creation in the millions (billions) of years before human creation for which we have verifiable proof and fossil records, where many of those fossils give evidence that the creature was indeed a vicious hunter and killer. Granted, any rendition of a prehistoric creature is interpretation at best, but some very educated guesses can be made based off of fossil records.
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  Question about dinosaurs, prehistoric creatures, and the eventual appearance of humans.

  by pronomono in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so i was watching shark week a little while ago and i got to the episode on prehistoric sharks.

  they, of course, discussed megalodon, but they also talked about other sharks that were vicious, precise hunters.

  then i started thinking about other prehistoric creatures..... t-rex, raptors, etc...... all vicious animals.

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  pronomono

  So I was watching Shark Week a little while ago and I got to the episode on prehistoric sharks. They, of course, discussed Megalodon, but they also talked about other sharks that were vicious, precise hunters. Then I started thinking about other prehistoric creatures..... t-rex, raptors, etc...... all vicious animals. This got me thinking, if God is a god of love, justice, and righteousness, why were many of his first creations so violent and vicious by nature. Why did he all of a sudden wipe these creature off the earth and create a perfect paradise with non-violent animals led by a peaceful, naked man and woman.

  Any thoughts? Darwin anyone??? I'm especially interested in hearing the views of faithful Christians, because I can't comprehend this from a Christian point of view. However, I can from the point of evolution. It doesn't make sense to me that such a loving god would make his first creations so violent unless Satan had a little fun in the beginning and started creating some things on his own. lol.

  BTW, I promise I'm sober right now.
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  New BOE Letter Re. Elders/MS Appointments and Deletions

  by XBEHERE in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  from the wording of the letter it seems that the co has been given carte blanche with appointments and deletions.

  nowhere in the letter does it indicate that any records are sent to and from the co to the branch office.

  even if a body wants to delete an appointed brother and he disagrees his only recourse would be to write a "brief" letter to the service dept.

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  I'm sure this is on a "need-to-know" basis. COs probably have their own letter telling them what they should be doing in this regard, where-as elders only are told about the processes they need to know about.
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  WTS one step closer to "1984" - JW literature rewritten in online versions

  by sir82 in

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  2. friends

  likely everyone here is familar with the novel "1984" - "he who controls the past, controls the future.

  he who controls the present, controls the past".. take a look at wol.jw.org, insight book, topic "faithful and discreet slave".. current online wording: http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200001485.

  jesus trained the apostles for the role they would have after pentecost 33 c.e.

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  Losing Faith in Faith..

  by Dis-Member in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i came across this lecture at 3am not being able to sleep by dan baker.

  it details his transition from christian fundamentalist to atheist and the various shades in-between.

  he realises that every denomination of christian can open the bible and prove to you that they have the right interpretation and everyone else is wrong.

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  Maybe this is the only part that makes some sense. But it requires God to act,.. that's just what I want to experience. His actions in my life.

  I've been searching for this for quite a while too. It hurts when you cry out to God, seeking his direction, his approval...... but nothing. You start to doubt yourself, mind racing thinking that you've done something to displease God to be getting this silent treatment..... but nothing. You want to make changes, to feel God's presence in your life..... but nothing. In times past, God offered proof that he was with his people, from the cloud pillar when Moses lead the Israelites out of Egypt to his own voice when he spoke of Jesus as his beloved whom he had approved. God acted. But now?..... nothing.

  I sincerely want that to change, but apparently it is one-sided (if God exists).
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  WTBTS continues to move to paperless

  by pronomono in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  during my last meeting i was approached to see if i would be willing to switch to the electronic version of the km/watchtower.

  i thought to myself "i'm way ahead of you here, buddy.

  been doing it for almost a year.

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  @DucatiJoe: The only reason I still go is family and friends. I'm sure my gig is drying up fast, but I'm milking it for all I can because I love them too much to lose them. It's been a year and a half since I've commented and about a year since I've went out in service. So far nobody is asking questions. The elders used to, but they've stopped for some reason. So until the time comes when this all comes to a head, I'm enjoying my family and friends, and I'm learning more and more so that I can give them a good unwitness.
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  Convention visit observations

  by Gorbatchov in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this weekend we visited the convention.

  my findings:.

  - no jw.org marketing here at this moment.

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  Stephan Lett was presenting the Drama. He seemed Donald Duck. He was more drama then the play.

  I always saw him as more of a C-3P0 kind of guy.
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  CONGREGATION FLEECING RESULTS?

  by The Searcher in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  how much did your congregation and its bank account get taken for?

  share your horror story!.

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  pronomono

  I just found out that ours is $560 a month, up from the usual $90 or so that used to be contributed. We still have $15,000 in our bank account, so it doesn't look like there was a one time transfer. We have our CO Visit in a few months, so it will be interesting to see if that changes.