i remember back in the day when i was a devout jw in the 90s elders would go to the hospital to try and see if a person took a blood transfusion.
i remember my cousin was having surgery after a severe car accident and if he did not take blood the doctor said he would have died.
the elder came to the hospital and badgered my cousin's wife until she told him my cousin did get some blood.
TD: "Elders are not supposed to judge the sincerity of repentance. If a person says they're sorry, then they're sorry."
Not that I'm trying to pick on you! But I don't think this is up to date either, did you ever see the new JC procedure videos released at the elder's school?
http://jwsurvey.org/cedars-blog/doubts-over-organizational-solidarity-as-disturbing-video-on-handling-suicide-is-leaked
i remember back in the day when i was a devout jw in the 90s elders would go to the hospital to try and see if a person took a blood transfusion.
i remember my cousin was having surgery after a severe car accident and if he did not take blood the doctor said he would have died.
the elder came to the hospital and badgered my cousin's wife until she told him my cousin did get some blood.
Yes, he was TD, poor guy. :(
FYI TD and sir82, here is the wording from the elder's manual 'shepherd the flock of God', under chapter 9, section 3, under the list 'Actions that may indicate disassociation':
Willingly and unrepentantly taking blood.
If someone willingly takes blood, perhaps because of being under extreme pressure, the committee should obtain the facts and determine the individual's attitude. If he is repentant, the committee would provide spiritual assistance in the spirit of Galatians 6:1 and Jude 22, 23. Since he is spiritually weak, he would not qualify for special privileges for a period of time, and it may be necessary to remove certain basic privileges. Depending on the circumstances, the committee may also need to arrange for an announcement to the congregation: "The elders have handled a matter having to do with [name of person]. You will be glad to know that spiritual shepherds are endeavouring to render assistance." On the other hand, if the elders on the committee determine that he is unrepentant, they should announce his disassociation.
Also under that list are: 'Making known a firm decision to be known no longer as one of Jehovah's Witnesses' 'Joining another religious organization and making known his intention to remain with it.' and 'Taking a course contrary to the neutral position of the Christian congregation.'
i remember back in the day when i was a devout jw in the 90s elders would go to the hospital to try and see if a person took a blood transfusion.
i remember my cousin was having surgery after a severe car accident and if he did not take blood the doctor said he would have died.
the elder came to the hospital and badgered my cousin's wife until she told him my cousin did get some blood.
Punkofnice was involuntary disassociated (not for blood, for attending a church)
I can't understand the legal benefit of forced disassociation for attending church services, but I'm no legal expert.
in a letter in the 2013 yearbook of jehovah's witnesses, the governing body sign off with the words, "we love you all very much".
these words were later echoed by one of the governing body in an address to french jehovah's witnesses in july this year.
these words sound so marvellously compelling and heartfelt - goosebump inducing, even.. imagine the governing body wrote these words to you or expressed them to you in person- yes to you reading these very words.
'I love you too' then give him a hug.
i am currently an skeptic, but i have to admit that i can't assure that all the stuff of early christianity was false.. for instance, we know that the genuine letters of paul were written before the destruction of jerusalem.
so, paul affirmed that jesus resurrected, though he was not there when it supposedly happened.
but, if jesus did not resurrect, why didn't the jews expose this falsehood?.
Sure Paul believed in a physical resurrection, why else would he write about Jesus being 'raised on the third day'. Think about it.
i want to reply when people send me pm,s but when i begin to type in the reply box the submit button disappears?
i'm using android device and google chrome.
Happens to me too, have to send PMs via the default browser. Can't copy and paste in chrome either!
who are we fooling, as long as we humans exist there.
will never be peace even under god's rule.. i think god realize he have created a mess and said screw this .
and have left us on our own.. each day there is another crisis, what's next.... there is no solution to bring harmony among mankind, hell.
It worries me that as scientific progress continues more and more nations will get access to nuclear weapons. It's true the world is better than in past centuries but in most of those we didn't have the ability to wipe out that same world.
atheists believe that god should stop the large-scale injustice on earth; if he does'nt, then he does not exist.
jws believe that god will intervene sometime in the last days!.
interestingly, both throw themselves on their own expectation of soemthing god should or will do, yet in fact something god does not have to do.
ExWTslave has said he was an elder 2 years ago, sorry but you don't go from being an elder to a college professor of philosophy in 2 years!
atheists believe that god should stop the large-scale injustice on earth; if he does'nt, then he does not exist.
jws believe that god will intervene sometime in the last days!.
interestingly, both throw themselves on their own expectation of soemthing god should or will do, yet in fact something god does not have to do.
Hey ExWTslave! I promise the brahma kumaris are closer to JWs then the average atheist.
so, i am in washinton state visiting my son and his family and we went to a concert that had a fortune tellers booth, actually a gypsy wagon.
i decided to do something no jw would ever do, have a tarot card reading.
i wasn't really expecting anything, as i don't believe they are connected with the satan, but i don't believe they can actually read your future either.
I had a palm reading a few months ago, she got nearly everything wrong, it was actually a little offensive.
