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  God's Outrageous Claims

  by Yizuman in

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  2. bible

  there's a very good book for atheists to read that have a very hard time with the concept of god.. the book is written by a former atheist who was like many of you a sceptic until he started doing personal research to find evidence of god and the biblical history and claims.

  this is an extrememely good read if you want to find out from a former atheist who found evidence that showed proof that god is real and the biblical evidence that is found to back up the bible.. .

  click here to view the book.. yizuman.

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  Thanks Rem,

  I'll check these out.

  xxR
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  God's Outrageous Claims

  by Yizuman in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  there's a very good book for atheists to read that have a very hard time with the concept of god.. the book is written by a former atheist who was like many of you a sceptic until he started doing personal research to find evidence of god and the biblical history and claims.

  this is an extrememely good read if you want to find out from a former atheist who found evidence that showed proof that god is real and the biblical evidence that is found to back up the bible.. .

  click here to view the book.. yizuman.

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  Gumby,

  Where can I find something to read about the pagan beliefs that the Bible writers adapted? I would be very interested in this. Does anyone else have any info? It may have been posted before and I missed it.

  Thanks

  xxR
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  What Tipped My Father Into Dub-Dom.

  by Englishman in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i'd like to tell you a true story about my father.

  he isn't alive now, but he was the po of a congregation in the uk when he died.

  i did once post this on h 20, so my apologies if it is "old hat".. he had an unusual experience during ww 2, this mystified him so much that he searched for answers for years.

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  Englishman.

  The JWs told your dad the demons gave the medium her power and they used the scriptures Mouthy sited above to show how Jehovah feels about consulting mediums. They then said that the demons had seen the Lancaster go down BUT hadn't bothered to watch the rest and had presumed him dead. Demons don't know everything, do they????

  Just a thought.

  xxR
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  Survey about Depression & Therapy

  by ESTEE in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i would really like to hear your opinion on this topic:.

  you know how the jws look down their nose on a person who falls into depression?

  i am curious how many people here think that if you have been in therapy that you are emotionally weak.

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  Estee,

  I agree with you - it does take courage to seek outside help if you need it. However, a word of caution. Doctors have tremendous power. I was seriously depressed at one stage in my life and was sectioned in a a psychiatric hospital when I sought help. For those of you that don't know, this means I was not allowed to leave until the doctors saw fit to let me out. They said I was a danger to myself (??? - how would they know) and I was in for 4 months. I had 3 children at home but still had to wait on this dopey doctor to decide to let me out. I hadn't done anything bad, I was just suffering from depression, but they decided to make an issue of it. Maybe the ward was empty and they needed people to fill it - who knows. As I mentioned on the other thread about psychological help, only 4 JWs visited me in that 4 months (on different ocassions - I didn't just have 4 visits in total from them). My family were great - it's a good job I have a large family - it could have been very lonely. Most of the people in my word were just depressed like me - there were hardly any crackpots, which is what most people expected. Only one elder out of 5 in my congregation came to see me - so much for Christian love. I think I was an embarassment to them.

  xxR
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  Who needed Psychological help?

  by JH in

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  did you ever need psychological help when you were in the "truth", or maybe after you left?

  would you say that people who come here on this site are in need of psychological help, since they can't seem to get over their bad experience as a jehovah witness?

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  I was sectioned for a while whilst in 'The Truth', but to be fair, it wasn't all to do with the WT society. Most of it was my inability to deal with a particular situation which sent me off the deep-end.

  BTW, when I was locked away, only a couple of JWs visited me. If is wasn't for my family (nasty, horrible RCs who I was supposed to have been avoiding) I would have been one very lonely inmate.

  The best psychological help is to have a true friend to talk to, someone who loves you unconditionally, but I know that is not always possible.

  xxR
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  Which Watchtower teachings lack logic?

  by sleepy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  which watchtower teachings lack logic?.

  i know you're all tempted to say all of them, but some beliefs if the facts were true, would be logical.. which ones that are supposed to be a logical consequence of a true fact are in fact not logical whether the fact is true or not?.

  for an example of logical belief based on untrue or unprovable fact , if god created adam and all humans came from him,(supposed fact) he could pass on defects in his genes to all humans and we could all be "imperfect".this we could call logical.. a watchtower belief that lacks logic is for example jw's who go through armageddon or die and are ressurected to earth are not perfect but still have another test to go through, yet those who die and that go to heaven are perfect straight away and require no further testing.. so which teachings are based on beliefs that are not true and which ones are just not logical?

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  I have often wondered about Revelation verses 20 and 21. The order of things happening is not the order the WT Society uses. But then again, I am beginning to wonder about a lot of things, including the Bible.

  xxR
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  Which Watchtower teachings lack logic?

  by sleepy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  which watchtower teachings lack logic?.

  i know you're all tempted to say all of them, but some beliefs if the facts were true, would be logical.. which ones that are supposed to be a logical consequence of a true fact are in fact not logical whether the fact is true or not?.

  for an example of logical belief based on untrue or unprovable fact , if god created adam and all humans came from him,(supposed fact) he could pass on defects in his genes to all humans and we could all be "imperfect".this we could call logical.. a watchtower belief that lacks logic is for example jw's who go through armageddon or die and are ressurected to earth are not perfect but still have another test to go through, yet those who die and that go to heaven are perfect straight away and require no further testing.. so which teachings are based on beliefs that are not true and which ones are just not logical?

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  ChrisVance,

  The 'Live Forever' book gave the example of a baking tin. If it was dented - all the cakes would have a dent shape in them.....so logical?????

  xxR
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  Which Watchtower teachings lack logic?

  by sleepy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  which watchtower teachings lack logic?.

  i know you're all tempted to say all of them, but some beliefs if the facts were true, would be logical.. which ones that are supposed to be a logical consequence of a true fact are in fact not logical whether the fact is true or not?.

  for an example of logical belief based on untrue or unprovable fact , if god created adam and all humans came from him,(supposed fact) he could pass on defects in his genes to all humans and we could all be "imperfect".this we could call logical.. a watchtower belief that lacks logic is for example jw's who go through armageddon or die and are ressurected to earth are not perfect but still have another test to go through, yet those who die and that go to heaven are perfect straight away and require no further testing.. so which teachings are based on beliefs that are not true and which ones are just not logical?

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  Being told that all the letters in the NT only applied to the heavenly class - and I wasn't one of 'em!

  xxR
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  Missing a meeting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  by Skeptically Yours in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  today, like many days, well, usually once or twice weekly, i'm missing yet another meeting; it's the 'book study' meeting.. just don't feel like hearing the same crap.

  the book (isaiah's prophecy) we're studying now is so redundant and boring!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  plus, i saw all the people i care for over the weekend, so i really don't need to have another doses of their love just yet.. sound familiar to anyone?!.

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  rebel

  I'd love to be able to miss every meeting. It isn't so easy for those that have family, particularly children, who still attend. Also, if you are trying to fade away gradually, you have to go to at least some meetings, even if they make you want to puke. I don't know why I'm bothering to fade away though, because I think the elders in my congregation have other ideas. Ah well - that's life.

  xxR
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  Which Corporation Owns the Buildings?

  by IslandWoman in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  there has been info on recent threads that the watchtower is liquidating some assets in brooklyn and elsewhere.

  there are a number of corporations used by the watchtower.

  does anyone know which of those corporations own the buildings in question and would therefore be involved with the sale of these buildings?

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  rebel

  "If this had been real food ,we would all be dead from starvation.! What are they doing with all this free time on their hands,besides sleeping more." Blueblades

  Brilliant!

  xxR