Simon,
Can I second what breeze said?
How do I make a discrete donation without 'blowing my cover'?
Thanks
xxR
Posts by rebel
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20If you're not happy with something ...
by Simon in... you need to let me know and give me some time to deal with it.. please remember:there are thousands of posts made every week and i can't read all of them.
i will miss things however much i try not to especially if it's developed in the middle of an unrelated topic (the reason topics made directly attacking are more often dealt with is that they are much easier to spot).
don't assume i have even seen something and ignored it - you need to let me know.because of timezone differences, even if you email me it can take a day or two for me to get it, check into things and take action.
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Ozzie's Weekend Poll #32
by ozziepost inwell, here we are mid-way between christmas and new year!
are you tiring yet?
why not put your feet up a little longer and do some serious thinking?
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Thanks Prisca, Should have known - didn't really check this one out - I won't be as dumb again - I promise!
........sorry - got a bit carried away there!
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Ozzie's Weekend Poll #32
by ozziepost inwell, here we are mid-way between christmas and new year!
are you tiring yet?
why not put your feet up a little longer and do some serious thinking?
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I want to read the entire Bible WITHOUT the help of the WT.
I want to lose weight.
I want to learn how to use smileys....can somebody help with that one?
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Question for fade-aways.
by bay64me inwell, i panicked, i prepared and had excuses ready.
strategies and contingency plans up and running.
i have been awaiting, nay willing my "inactive persons' shepherding call" (whatever) and it hasn't happened yet!.
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I had 2 elders and an MS call last night - is that usual? THREE!!!! They were very pleasant and did ring me beforehand. They said they had noticed that I am missing many meetings and is it because of ...........I can't say who it is in case someone who knows her is on this board. Basically, someone I love very much has been treated like dirt for no reason other than two elders dislike her. This happened in another congregation but, in my usual way, I stuck my nose in. She is family and the elders that hurt her are not going to get away with it.
Going back to last night, Elder 1 said I should leave things in Jehovah's hands and these people will be dealt with - in other words, he agreed that an injustice had taken place. I said that was not good enough - the only way something will get done is if people like me, with big mouths, make a fuss and get the CO involved. He said I was speaking out of turn and was questioning Jehovah!!! By this time I was annoyed and said I was NOT questioning Jehovah, I was questioning imperfect men.
Elder 2 now opened his mealy mouth. He said I had been such a good example to the congregation (vomit...all lies....just trying to get round me) and now I was turning my back on Jehovah because of one little incident. I replied again that I was NOT turning my back on Jehovah and it was NOT a little incident. The elders in the other congregation had sullied a person's name, cut her off from all her friends, and even they had to agree that it was unjust. I said I did not view her as disfellowshipped because the whole thing was a farce. He said I should be patient and wait on Jehovah blah blah blah........He then gave quite a few examples of people waiting on Jehovah. One was Daniel in the lion's den - I couldn't quite see the connection. Anyway, to cut a long, boring story short, It was like a game of tennis - they said one thing, I said another, they retaliated, so did I etc etc. It ended quite amicably with them saying they hope (in other words expect) to see me at the KH. I have to be a bit careful because I have family who are JWs and I don't want to be cut off from them or have them put under pressure so I will go to the meeting today. I still intend to fade away gradually - I don't know how easy that will be.
Funny - when they left I felt so miserable - are these visits supposed to build you up?
xxR
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I got an answer from my dad
by Elsewhere infor several months i have been asking my family and the organization what the difference is between someone who "simply leaves the faith" and someone who "went out" (disassociates).. http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=39631&site=3 .
today i finally got the answer from my dad on the phone.
according to my dad (an elder), someone who simply leaves the faith is someone who still believes in jehovah and the organization, but does not attend the meetings.
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Elsewhere,
I felt so bad after reading your first post. I feel so angry that anybody could be so blind as to reject their own child. Even when I was a loyal JW (well, as loyal as a rebellious, mouthy, should-know-better-than-to-question-the-elders sister could be), I would NEVER have turned my back on my children. Don't these people realise what they are doing? Are they so misguided that they think a loving God would approve of a parent denying the existence of their own child? The mind really boggles! You just hang on in there - there are so many loving people on this forum - they could show the JWs a thing or two about true love and humility.
xxR
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Dwelling Together In Love & Unity
by Farkel indear brothers and sisters,.
in these difficult and trying times we are so grateful to have jehovah's organization feed us the spiritual food we need at the proper time.
we are truly blessed that jehovah has used his organization to help us all continue to grow spiritually.
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Thanks for your tips.
I get the same problem as Celia - I save it but, when played back, it only last 5 or 6 seconds and then cuts out - not sure what I've done wrong.
xxR
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Dwelling Together In Love & Unity
by Farkel indear brothers and sisters,.
in these difficult and trying times we are so grateful to have jehovah's organization feed us the spiritual food we need at the proper time.
we are truly blessed that jehovah has used his organization to help us all continue to grow spiritually.
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Farkel,
That was excellent - I wish I knew how to save it - I'm not very IT literate!
There was also a kingdom melody that sounded like the tune on 'Laurel & Hardy' movies - can't remember the name.
xxR
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Does god really love children?
by kelsey007 inmany people claim that the god of the bible loves children and fetuses.
but what does the bible say?
according to god's law, children are not persons but the property of their fathers, who may sell them as slaves.
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UD,
If the God of the Bible truly loves children, he wouldn't deliberately destroy them just because their parents were wicked as some have already mentioned. I would never, ever, ever do anything to harm a child - or an adult for that matter. The majority of people feel the same way. yet a powerful God, who is supposed to be a God of love, can kill a tiny baby or child without any qualms - something that most puny, inferior humnas could not and would not do. It just doesn't make any sense. And to punish the whole human race with death just because some bimbo ate a flaming piece of fruit and her bimbo husband did the same seems a pretty warped way of thinking to me.
Think of it logically. Look at the aging process - that has to be one of the cruelest tricks played on mankind. Do you know anybody that is getting on in years? It's horrible to see someone you love grow old and feeble, hardly able to see or walk. That person was once a child, running about, climbing trees - then they grew up big and strong and perhaps had a family of their own. Then their body starts to deteriorate, through no fault of their own, and they get weak, their hands tremble and they are so vulnerable, they couldn't even defend themselves if they had to. How cruel is that?
Just my thoughts
xxR
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Are you ashamed to admit you were a JW?
by sleepy in.
how do you feel about telling people you were a jw, does it make you feel like admiting you were a flasher or some strange perv?.
i told a lady the other day who asked about what i was doing for christmas, that i used to be a jw, but i had to make sure she knew i was brought up as one by my parents , just so she didn't think it was my choice.. she thought i was very brave for leaving though.
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Why be ashamed?
I went into this religion thinking it was something good, that it had all the answers and that it would give hope to me and my family and friends. I didn't know then that it wasn't what it was cracked up to be and that it would cause so much pain and damage. I didn't knowingly become part of an organisation that lies, divides families, threatens people with shunning if they step out of line, treats women like 10th-class citizens etc. I didn't know any of that. When I found out, I started to make moves to come out. It isn't an easy organisation to come out of, but I am still quitting. Just think - if you are an ex-JW - how many other people can you help? You know first-hand about the organisation - you can even warn people before they become involved. You wouldn't know any of this if you hadn't been a JW. Why be ashamed of being part of something that you thought was good and, when you found out otherwise, you left. That is something to be proud of in my book. And for those of you who have many family members still in the organisation, you have my utmost admiration because you have guts and the courage to make a stand, even though it causes you extreme pain.
It's funny, but I look back fondly on my memories as a Catholic - probably because it reminds me of my childhood and was the religion I grew up with. All my children were baptised as RCs before we became JWs. But when I look back on the years as a JW, I can't remember many happy things. There were some good times, but most of the time, I was just a lapsed Catholic pretending to be a good JW and failing badly! Unless you were born into it and had at least 2 or 3 generations of JWs in your family, you were viewed differently - at least in the congregation I was in.
Sorry to ramble on so much.
xxR
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Bible is God's word?
by Moxy inid like to hear some *reasoned* explanations for why you believe the bible is gods word.
ive been so fascinated by the study of *real* biblical scholarship since i began educating myself, i now find it incredulous that i used to take the bible as divine, along with all jws and tons of christians, including a good number here.
so id like to entertain your very best lines of evidence that this is the real deal.. mox
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Breeze - I understand that you still believe in God without the Bible. I wish I could find that things were so simple. I do believe in God because I just can't see how this planet with all the life forms could have just happened. However, I am starting to question the Bible because it just doesn't make a lot of sense and there are too many contradictions. God seems to tell us to do one thing while he does the opposite??? I thought a good parent should teach by example. How is exterminating babies and children along with their parents setting a good example? Even if the parents are deserving of destruction, why destroy those that haven't done anything?
Do you read any other material to give you a better understanding of God? I am curious because I really would like to believe in a loving creator, a resurrection hope and a happy ending for all humankind. It may sound too good to be true, but I would like to know if there is a possibility of a better life than this. Surely, if God loves us, he would have given us some sort of guide? I'd appreciate your thoughts on this as you seem to have a belief in God without the need for the Bible. I seem to need the Bible - or some sort of communication - because I need to believe in something concrete. I am at the stage where I don't know anything any more.
xxR