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  Did your Elders Have Any Weird Private Ideas or Teachings?

  by Perry in

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  ok, we all know how all private ideas are quashed in the borg.

  but, all that lobotimizing does have its effects that come out sometimes.

  we were studying the paradise book i think and the elder said he couldn't understand how people thought they'd get bored living forever.

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  I remember an Elder learning Hebrew, as that would be the language we'd all be speaking

  Actually that is an official teaching of the WT - forget the book but but it stated that we use Hebrew embellished with the good bits of other languages
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  What JW's are saying about the Vikki Boer Decision

  by CoonDawg in

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  so, you wanna know what the jw's are saying about the decision?

  i wonder if any of them will be willing to help her pay the legal costs?

  originally posted by manoftruegod: forgive my ignorance with law, but what is the principle behind the society asking her to pay for the legal cost?

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  Prisca

  I though it was metaphorical too - my experience is that loyal JWs will accept any instruction from the GB - shoot people to prove it is the time of the end - I know family members who would only ask "How many people?" Sorry if metaphor was in poor taste but it makes the point for me - nothing is beyond the depths to which these people will go - and indeed the GB have metaphorically raped Vicki Boer and countless others - and all the while the faithful stood by applauding -
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  This is the GOOD elder thread

  by jwbot in

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  well, after thinking about all the bad experiences, i just wanted to know, did you know any good elders, and what were they like?

  probably unconventional, right?

  one of the only elders i knew that i truly thought was a wonderful person is my father.

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  All the whipper-snapper elders who give the infomercial funeral talks about what Brother So-and-So believed should sit at the feet of someone like Doug Cornelius and go to school. Trash these doctrine-crammed-down-ur-throat diatribes devoid of feeling and recognition of the individual just lost, so afraid of eulogizing an individual and taking away from the worship of the universe?s creator that they are sterile, inane apologies for a belief system instead of a grieving process.

  HS

  Just read your referenced (superb) post by TMS - one great sadness from my 40 and more years in is the way in which strong, devout and faithful men have been pushed aside by the career pioneers / graduates of the MTS or whatever and propelled to positions of influence without much shred of humanity. So few are genuinely concerned with the Flock - preferring to herd the sheep in the latest organisational directive. My time in the Truth in my early years were very happy and I learned the craft of being an elder (servant) at the feet of masters of kindness, humanity and compassion - true pillars in the congregation - sadly such ones seem to have vanished and now young elders learn at the CD Rom or some organisation school which anodises them to a grey shadow.
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  What JW's are saying about the Vikki Boer Decision

  by CoonDawg in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so, you wanna know what the jw's are saying about the decision?

  i wonder if any of them will be willing to help her pay the legal costs?

  originally posted by manoftruegod: forgive my ignorance with law, but what is the principle behind the society asking her to pay for the legal cost?

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  I firmly believe that the vast majority of Witnesses would offer to hold the Governing Body's coats while they gang-raped an eleven year old, and then join in denigrating the victim afterwards. Convincing them that the Organization is wrong simply can't be done.

  So sad but so true - doubtless those in the WT Legal Department are congratulating themselves on this latest affront to Christs Teachings - and they say WE are the Apostates ?
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  Stunning new field ministry technology shocks Witnesses

  by Mindchild in

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  nowadays, most congregations would love some extra help to cover their territories and someone who actually shows up for theocratic ministry school assignments.

  our 2003 brother and sister multifunction robots fit the bill quite nicely, thanks.

  don't want to get out of bed on saturday morning to go door to door?

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  Can you send the robots to meetings instead of having to go / will they handle Theocratic Ministry School Assignments ?

  Plug in a chip and they can deliver any talk - how about No 13 "A Godly View of Sex & Marriage" - from a robots perspective - could be very interesting to hear a mechanical approach

  Another use could be to queue for literature etc at KH or assemblies

  My thought is that I am worried that most of the people at the KH WERE robots - have these things been on sale for long?

  Daleks (Dr Who Robots - you will understand if you know them) go round saying "exterminate - exterminate" - do these robots go round saying " donate - donate - donate..." or " do more...do more... do more..." until the batteries drain
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  As a DUB did you ever see negative publicity which made you think?

  by shotgun in

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  i can honestly say that as a loyal(semi loyal) dub for 15 yrs i can count on one hand the amount of negative articles i saw.

  i'm not sure if i tuned them out or if there just seems to be more these days.

  even with all the negative publicity now, if you ask a dub they are totally unaware of it.

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  The other question is when we do awareness campains either through ads or letters would it make more impact to do this so that the regular dubs get the info or the Elders and higher-ups?

  Sadly most who get any of such info will view it as "apostate" and not read or consider the content.

  When I saw negative publicity / articles in the press when I was active I just took it as a further sign that "we were right" - we were being persecuted for Jesus sake - I think moist loyal JWs think that way - I was influenced by the net and what I saw of the Franz incident etc - I always knew that "the truth" should stand up to examination but the WT always argued against any comparison / examination. Over a long time (years) I became convinced that the WT is a commercial behemoth that no one can stop - Jehovah is just not involved - not now - if he ever was.As a general point on trying to explain to loyal dubs - someone once posted here - never argue with a skunk

  On your point re higher ups - they are never ever going to take any notice of any campaign - the more the merrier as far as they are concerned - local elders (with notable exceptions) do not THINK - they have had years of training not to do so.
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  Vicki Boer and Donations

  by hillary_step in

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  if any of you wish to kindly make donations to vicki boer, we are formulating a vehicle to attend to this as we speak.. we have been in touch with vicki, who is understandably deeply distressed at the turn of events that have forced her to relive much of the trauma which she hoped that this court case would put to rest, and are wresting a plan which would allow her to receive personal donations aimed at her well-being rather than enriching either the wts or her advisers.. an address will be forthcoming shortly, together with a paypal email address which will allow you to send your donations or well-wishes to vicki, scott and the girls.

  it will not be a canadian address or bank account.

  there are a number of important points that any donators would need to assess before donating any cash:.

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  2) Three people will be involved in handling donations, Vicki, myself and another party yet to be announced. These three will monitor the donations at each stage of transfer to ensure its security.

  HS Excellent work - I am sure you have had sound advice and whatever you go with we will all support 100% however I would ask if it is possible to not have Vicki personally as a "Trustee" or whatever of this fund for a number of reasons - she does not need the stress, finger pointing by WT over use of funds can be avoided if she is not personally directing the funds in part, many cases of similiar good-willed ventures here in the UK have ended in acrimony as the poor individual concerned has his/her spending/lifestyle dredged through by the press to show that receipts have been falsified, overstated etc etc - Please be clear - I am sure no one involved will sanction anything which is not proper but with the evil enemy directing opposition any actions taken will be vilified.

  Just a point to consider but whatever is decided please be assured of our support and best wishes - I appreciate the extra burden you are taking on and want to thank you for that in advance of all your work

  Kind Regards Core & Mrs Core
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  " text of the year " of 2004

  by ALEX_2003 in

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  a jw asked me it was known which was the " text of the year " of 2004!!

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  do long knows?

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  No ida what the will dredge up but the best would be

  "Sell Watchtowers or Die" from Running Man Chapter 3
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  What did you think of "Simplification" ???

  by Swan in

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  i know now what was behind many of the simplification procedures that were adopted at the assemblies over the years.

  the books and food were given away to avoid tax problems.

  but what did you think about it when you were a jw?.

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  SImplification was driven in many areas by Legislation - not just the Tax / Charity issues but Health & Safety, Food Hygiene etc

  Easier not to do food than to comply with the mass of legislation re food temperture storage/hygiene etc etc

  Simplification was sold to elders in the 80s as reducing paperwork - well it did for the branch offices but it moved the work out to the congregations - PO & Secretary taking a lot more work on - Simplification was a standing joke in congs as letter after letter flooded in with more work for the service committee to handle in coping with the mass of legislation. Changes were made to move responsibility for coping with the mass of new legislation from the WT (who made the rules and told you what to do in every case) to local elders who were held (by the state authorities) as responsible for their actions - in effect local elders made scapegoats for any failing as they had no room for manoeuvre in matters of legal compliance, but the branch abdicated any responsibility for its directives.

  Assembly time became dull and more boring as the opportunities to volunteer and meet others (especially for young ones) virtually vanished - arrive - listen to music - sing song - hear prayer - hear talks "Do More" - song - sandwiches - song - more talks "Give More" - song - go home not much fun
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  VICKI BOER CAMPAIGN FUND

  by Dansk in

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  if you'd be interested in donating $us10.00 or anything at all to a campaign fund for vicki please say so here.

  this will help determine how strongly we can offer vicki support.. i'll start it off.

  i'm willing to donate $us10.00 to the fund.. thanks.. dansk

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  I agree about keeping any funds away from the WTS's grubby little paws and maybe a non formal agreement is best for this based on trust. If anything is signed over or allocated to them, even if offshore, then I suspect it will be treated as an asset (I'm no expert, jst going off how tax and stuff tends to work).
  

  One other thing ... I hate to put the dampers on things but I think we should be realistic. Getting people to donate money is difficult and we're not going to put a small dent in such a big amount. What we can do though is show that we care and maybe put a smile on someones face once in a while.

  as I posted on an earlier thread - yes it would be good to set up a Trust Fund away from the WT - as the WT are reading this they are rubbing their hands as they see pledges roll-in -

  Canadian Law not my speciality but here in the UK Discretionary Trusts (funds administered by Trustees at their sole discretion in favour of the Trust Holder) are a simple thing and usually used to avoid Tax etc - Funds are deposited in an account and the Trustees can administer the income and or capital to ensure the welfare and well-being of the Trust Beneficiary - with small payments, amounts for specific costs etc .

  Funds specifically established to help defray Court Costs (in the UK at least but I think this applies to the USA & Canada) are very dangerous as the Courts take the view they can demand a list of donors and the WT would be fre to "join" the donors to its claim against Vicki and hence hold each one liable to an equal portion of the total costs. Clear precedents of this exist in the UK with donors to such even being made bankrupt by the aggressive corporation pursuing its costs. Funds for this appeal COULD be held outside Canada ( & US) and would have more protection than if they were available in Continental America.

  Emotions say collect money - sense says take good advice - do not do something rashly that might exacerbate the problem

  PS in the UK any fundraising of any kind at all requires registration with the Charities Commission or else the collection is illegal and the funds are taken over by the Charities Commission to do with as they wish - remember the enemy here is evil, cunning and very very rich when it comes to legal costs.