Posts by bjc2read

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"...A God's Voice, And Not A Man's!" (Acts 12:22; 2 Thess. 2:3, 4) ... That Day Is Here!

by bjc2read in

question: how are members of the governing body of jehovah's witnesses themselves, actually viewed by jehovah's witnesses today?.

well, the following related experience may help answer that provocative question, giving us a glimpse of what the possible future days will bring us.

yes, the answer to that question may even be quite shocking to us, ... with simply terrible, disastrous results!!!

bjc2read

Hi all,

Question: How Are Members Of The Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses Themselves, Actually Viewed By Jehovah's Witnesses Today?

Well, the following related experience may help answer that provocative question, giving us a glimpse of what the possible future days will bring us. Yes, the answer to that question may even be quite shocking to us, ... with simply terrible, disastrous results!!!

So please "fasten your seat belts" before reading this one...

The experience is related under the subheading: "Jehovah's Witnesses Are Asking For A King!"

Link To Article: http://meletivivlon.com/2014/04/30/they-asked-for-a-king/

Experience Related below:

" ... It is most interesting how the human mind works. Once the defensive walls are brought down, the floodgates open. Petra went on to tell me a personal experience. Last year, a member of the Governing Body spoke at the Spanish District convention she attended. She went on to recall how afterward the audience kept applauding for minutes. According to her, it became so uncomfortable that the brother had to leave the stage, and even then, the applause still continued.

This bothered her conscience, she explained. She told me that at one point she stopped clapping, because she felt it was tantamount to—and here she used a Spanish word—“ veneración ”. As a woman from a Catholic background, there is no misunderstanding the import of this. “Veneration” is a word used in conjunction with the Saints, demonstrating honor and reverence to an extent one step beneath adoration which is due to God alone. The Greek word proskynesis quite literally means “kissing in the presence [of]” a superior being; acknowledging the recipient’s divinity and the giver’s submissive humility. http://meletivivlon.com/#_edn1

Can you picture a stadium filled with thousands of people performing an act of veneration to a man? Can we imagine these same individuals calling themselves Jehovah’s people? Yet this is exactly what is happening before our eyes..."

---------------------------end of related experience------------------------

Whew!

bjc

PS: See also related topic link at: www.thereportbook.com/acult.htm

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Gerritt Loesch life story .... Total hypocrisy

by Skinnedsheep in

as written in the july 15 2014 wt.

what gerrit used to believe and teach.... the roman catholic teaching of apostolic succession claims that there is an unbroken succession of popes in a line extending all the way back to the apostle peter.

(the church misinterprets jesus words that are quoted at matthew 16:18, 19.

bjc2read

SkinnedSheep,

Excellent analogy. Super-duper great post, very scholarly!

Short and to-the-point!

In my opinion, absolutely brilliant!

Any "thinking" JW should read this, and has any nagging doubts about JW 1914 Teaching [like "overlapping" generation(s) and all], he/she is finished, no question.

Your written presentation shows concisely, in a nutshell, in capsule form, just how foolish the entire JW belief system of close to 8 million believers, is critically flawed, as it is predicated upon the false date of 1914, which empowers the wicked GB arrangement. All it takes is just a little bit of thought, that's all, to figure it out.

And yet, these people [JWs] spend most of their door-to-door "ministry" time, going around and condeming the Catholic Church, for what they are doing, repeatedly.

Wow, that short review of yours, of the upcoming GB member's life story in the July 15th, 2014 issue, shows it all. This critical analysis of yours, of just one paragraph, vividly shows "critical-thinking" skills are greatly lacking among Jdubs. With that paragraph, they are "shooting themselves in the foot," like "Barney" almost does on Andy Griffith Show LOL).

No wonder all JWs are expressly told to STAY AWAY from college and other higher education institutions! Its clear.

Thanks again,

bjc

"The Watch Tower Society Wants Money, Money & More Money" -- A Quote From A Book...

by bjc2read in

ever hear of the term, "theocratic tithing"before???.

well, this is my first time hearing of it, as mentioned on jw.net discussion board.. okay as i understand it, why its the latest thing in "theocratic donations" yet, that is coming very, very soon to your local kingdom hall.. and who do we have to thank for this new "thoughtful," "loving" arrangement?

why of course, it comes from the most loving, caring watchtower society and its governing body who always have the "friends," best interest at heart.. here is how it has been suggested it might, best work.. you see, a very spiritual "elder" would be assigned to visit you, in the privacy of your home, and thoroughly go over your confidential family irs tax records, to see just how much $$$ you are really worth, and how much you made last year (and maybe previous years too) ... no, the watchtower society is no longer going to just, "take your word for it.

bjc2read

Ever hear of the term, "Theocratic Tithing"before???

Well, this is my first time hearing of it, as mentioned on JW.Net Discussion board.

Okay as I understand it, why its the latest thing in "theocratic donations" yet, that is coming very, very soon to your local kingdom hall.

And who do we have to thank for this new "thoughtful," "loving" arrangement? Why of course, it comes from the most loving, caring Watchtower Society and its Governing Body who always have the "friends," best interest at heart.

Here is how it has been suggested it might, best work.

You see, a very spiritual "elder" would be assigned to visit you, in the privacy of your home, and thoroughly go over your confidential family IRS TAX records, to see just how much $$$ you are really worth, and how much you made last year (and maybe previous years too) ... no, the Watchtower Society is no longer going to just, "take your word for it." No, not anymore. They want proof! And, they want real cash ... and that's YOUR $$$ and that's all there is to it!

So they are not "playing around" with this new "theocratic" arrangement, when implemented. They mean business, so please keep that in mind.

"ABibleStudent" recently wrote on the thread which brings all of this new information out:

Link found here:

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/278796/2/Is-this-new-donation-arrangement-for-real#.U0QBr6hdWSo

Quote:

"Why is anyone on JWN surprised by this WTBTS change? Does this mean that WTBTS is now becoming like other religions? I wonder how JWs will spin this new arrangement?

BTW skeeter1 I like your analysis of why the WTBTS is making the change. The WTBTS avoids taxes and has a continual flow of money.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert"

Also, this interesting comment was made by "SkinnedSheep" on the same above mentioned thread:

"If I was still an elder this would have woke me up. To request a back door form of a tithe and then have a 3 page "ps" to the letter that is not to be read to the cong? Hopefully more brothers see that this organization is only about money. They sure have come a long way in 20 years. The business is rolling up.

Lol this is nuts. last week it was "we are not covering your legal expenses if you get sued" and this week it is, "send us all of the cash you have in your account and ask the friends to pledge a monthly amount." And about that KH loan that you thought you had almost paid off....we lovingly refinanced the note with a new arrangement that can be paid back forever."

End of quotes.

"Twenty years ago," is an interesting comment on this matter, I'd say.

Also too the astute comment made above by "Robert," that namely the Watchtower Society is becoming more and more like "other religions"???

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Well on that note, let's remind ourselves exactly what the "Report" Book [found @ www.thereportbook.com ] said some time ago [twenty years ago] on upcoming, future $$$ making "activities" from the WTBTS, to be "lovingly" heaped upon guillible JWs the world over, things very similar to this "Theocratic Tithing" we speak of, which will absolutely mortify many already disheartened, disillusioned JWs when officially enacted, these types of things, perhaps alluded to way back in the year of 1994, in a book that was put on the shelves of numerous bookstores, some 20 years ago.

See link: http://www.freeminds.org/history/report.htm [for verification that the book was put in many bookstores around the country and even abroad, quite a few years ago.]

Under the subheading "The Watch Tower Society Wants Money, Money and More Money" page 130, paragraphs 3-5 of the "Report" Book, copyrighted back in October of 1994 by Donald C. Burney, ex-Jehovah's Witness, actually said this:

Page 130, Paragraphs 3-5

"The Watch Tower Society has for some time now, secretly admired the HARLOTROUS ways of her wicked counterpart, Christendom. Yes, the many advantages Christendom has gained over the years, adroitly avoiding any 'pains of life,' persecution, or discomforts that are the result of maintaining a chaste and virtuous standing before Jehovah. Could it be that the Watch Tower Society now wants the prestige, the opulent lifestyle, and the recognition that only the world can give? The Watch Tower Society may want the world to accept them now, because she finally has what the world recognizes -- money, wealth, and even fame.

"... Yes, just as the Bible predicted, she has grown wealthy to her own undoing. (See Isaiah 2:7-9.) Many big businesses would like to have access to this kind of tax-free cash flow.

"The evidence is quite clear. The Watchtower Society has recently placed considerable interest and emphasis upon building projects. These are intended to enhance the image of Jehovah's Witnesses to the world. In addition, the Watch Tower Society has instituted some new financial arrangements that have placed the brotherhood under considerable stress, financially, speaking. Let's notice a few of these..."

Page 133, Paragraphs 2 & 3...

"Yes, there can be no question that the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society is a greedy, money-making business! Just how disgusting is she? Only Jehovah knows for sure.

"Nevertheless, the Watch Tower Society claims to need MONEY, and plenty of it! Although, the Watch Tower Society is quite wealthy, the headquarters staff continues to milk the brotherhood for as much as they can get from them. But many of the brothers are poor and are in no position to give it to her. Therefore, in an effort to gain a larger membership and thus gain prestige and more dollars, the Watch Tower Society must appeal to the affluent of the world, just like Christendom! Therefore, we will continue to notice that the Watch Tower Society will beg, beg, and completely drain the brothers of their material resources to the maximum!" -- The "Report" Book [copyrighted 1994] page 133, par. 2 & 3.

Next subheading, as the article continues: "Revolting Greed Evident" page 133 of The "Report" Book...

Go figure, huh...

(For more information, see link: www.thereportbook.com )

bjc

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I think my D.O. Is a closet apostate. References Stanford Prison Study and hints he sometimes disagrees with the Branch

by kneehighmiah in

jw
friends

i find it odd that the district overseer today made.

1. zero yes 0 references to the fds in any of his talks.. 2.he also told elders that the brothers worship god and not them.so therefore the elders have no authority to order the friends around.. 3. he also talked about the stanford prison study and said that people who receive authority over others often abuse it.

4. he mentioned that when he disagrees with the branch (aka the fds) he's learned to just do what they say.

bjc2read

This is an update...

This link shows the Governing Body has serious problems with people in-the-know, JWs at the top level of authority, at Bethel. All we have to do is just "connect the dots."

See below:

This was just posted [a day ago] on JW.Net...

See Link: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/276118/1/The-Last-BOE#.UyY4x6hdWSo

Quote:

This is the last BOE we will be able to provide. Our informant or source, was caught, disfellowshipped, and thrown out of Bethel. We knew that sooner or later the Watchtower would find him out. Well, we have done the best we could. The BOE emailing list will now be deleted. Perhaps someone else will be able to provide the documents that expose so much about the Watchtower. . . .

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How Many Circuit Overseers And District Overseers Really Believe The Governing Body Is Really The Faithful and Discreet Slave and That The Watchtower Is God's Earthly Organization?

by frankiespeakin in

i'm thinking around 20% have serious doubts and 99% have some doubts but keep them from becoming conscious to avoid cognitive dissonance.

this is becoming increasingly harder to do over the fact that the governing body are showing their true colors and the contridictions are so great..

bjc2read

This is an update...

This link shows the Governing Body has serious problems with people in-the-know, JWs at the top level of authority, at Bethel. All we have to do is just "connect the dots."

See below:

This was just posted [a day ago] on JW.Net...

See Link: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/276118/1/The-Last-BOE#.UyY4x6hdWSo

Quote:

This is the last BOE we will be able to provide. Our informant or source, was caught, disfellowshipped, and thrown out of Bethel. We knew that sooner or later the Watchtower would find him out. Well, we have done the best we could. The BOE emailing list will now be deleted. Perhaps someone else will be able to provide the documents that expose so much about the Watchtower. . . .

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JWs no longer taking the Governing Body seriously.

by kneehighmiah in

jw
friends

the recent letter being us to come to detroit shows that jws are beginning not to take the gb seriously anymore.

the buzz following the meeting was that the letter was unprecedented in its tone.

this coming from long time jws of 30 years plus.

bjc2read

Hi Kneehighmiah,

The climate is definitely changing among JWs these days.

For example, how about this experience recently told:

Link to comment: http://meletivivlon.com/2014/03/03/wt-study-worship-jehovah-the-king-of-eternity/#comment-9230

I was referred to this site. It was amazing how the site authors had reached similar conclusions. I had already invited over a group of friends and we had disproved 1914. All of us were servants too and should have lost our privileges for such a discussion. However even though my friends acknowledged that there is no evidence to support 1914 they said we should wait on Jehovah. I then told them I didn’t believe the governing body was the faithful and discreet slave. They didn’t even flinch. Obviously a statement like that should have landed me in a judicial committee. But nobody argued against my viewpoint or reported me. I love this site because we can freely discuss things without threat of disfellowshipment. I have come to a deeper understanding and love of scripture because I no longer read the bible through a WT filter. Also if I ever am called to face a committee for my views, which I doubt, I’ll at least have all the scriptural evidence necessary to win any argument.

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I think my D.O. Is a closet apostate. References Stanford Prison Study and hints he sometimes disagrees with the Branch

by kneehighmiah in

jw
friends

i find it odd that the district overseer today made.

1. zero yes 0 references to the fds in any of his talks.. 2.he also told elders that the brothers worship god and not them.so therefore the elders have no authority to order the friends around.. 3. he also talked about the stanford prison study and said that people who receive authority over others often abuse it.

4. he mentioned that when he disagrees with the branch (aka the fds) he's learned to just do what they say.

bjc2read

Hi "Kneehighmiah"

...more stunning news from the assembly!

You said:

the buzz he generated was huge. Everyone I talked to after the program mentioned how we needed more brothers like him. After the program the friends swarmed him. If they were to give him the AX many people would be upset. Just like the Pharisees, they too are scared of the crowd. The crowd just hasn't realized yet how much power they actually have. I feel things will come to a head very soon. The singing was unispired, the applause very tepid and short as another poster mentioned. The only thing people enjoyed were this D.O.s talks.

That's incredible! Simply amazing! Shocking, even!

If you can, you may want to stick close to this thread, since some of us here, may want you to "keep-us-posted" on the latest in your circuit and in your local congregation, after a talk like that from your D.O. I mean, he might have just as well as come out and point-blank told the brothers at the assembly, that he simply didn't believe 1914 or 1919 anymore. It wouldn't have been any more shocking, I don't think.

In fact, I'm wondering what the "friends" will be saying when they get back home to their local congregations and all. Also, what the elders will make out of it. I mean, this is a very strange set of circumstances you are eye-witnessing, I believe, to say the least. A District Overseer just coming right out and saying what he did, in the public before thousands of JWs. Wow!

We may need you to let us know, what's the climate like among the "brothers" AFTER hearing something like that at the assembly. (I know you can't tell it all, like names, exact places, etc. but, still general facts will help out immensely.)

That way, we can keep this thread "alive" because of its importance. I'm sure many here (I know I do) would certainly like a "follow-up" on this story, if possible. To learn what the "mood" of the congregation (and circuit) is like, after a talk like that.

Can you do that for us?

Many thanks,

bjc

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How Many Circuit Overseers And District Overseers Really Believe The Governing Body Is Really The Faithful and Discreet Slave and That The Watchtower Is God's Earthly Organization?

by frankiespeakin in

i'm thinking around 20% have serious doubts and 99% have some doubts but keep them from becoming conscious to avoid cognitive dissonance.

this is becoming increasingly harder to do over the fact that the governing body are showing their true colors and the contridictions are so great..

bjc2read

Hi Apognophos,

But what if COs & DOs began to make these type of "damaging" statements/comments from the platform, publicly?

Wouldn't the Governing Body be at least, "concerned" about such statements being made by leading men, trusted men [like DOs & COs] in the JW Organization?

Here is the statement in question:

See Link to related thread:

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/275748/2/I-think-my-D-O-Is-a-closet-apostate-References-Stanford-Prison-Study-and-hints-he-sometimes-disagrees-with-the-Branch#4962342

I just received this reply from "Kneehighmiah"

-----------------------------------SNIP---------------------------

Hi "Kneehighmiah":

You said:

It was the public address about Jehovah rocking the nations. He said that he could not back up or explain the dates 1914 or 1919 but if they had questions ask their teacher...

What?!?

Are you kidding me?

He [District Overseer at the Assembly] actually said from the platform publicly,

"...he could not back up or explain the dates of 1914 or 1919, but if they had questions ask their teacher."

That's nothing short of incredible!!!

Wow!

Thanks, for relating that huge bit of news from the assembly.

End of observation posted.

The COs/DOs are the lifeline between the HQ and the rank and file because they maintain law and order. It's not just that they can replace elder bodies when they go off the rails (which I have heard happens sometimes), but that they are a necessary level of management in the "company", in terms of keeping elders motivated and working for the org.

Its kind of like you said above, COs & DOs are very important to keeping control of the JW Organization, right?

bjc

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I think my D.O. Is a closet apostate. References Stanford Prison Study and hints he sometimes disagrees with the Branch

by kneehighmiah in

jw
friends

i find it odd that the district overseer today made.

1. zero yes 0 references to the fds in any of his talks.. 2.he also told elders that the brothers worship god and not them.so therefore the elders have no authority to order the friends around.. 3. he also talked about the stanford prison study and said that people who receive authority over others often abuse it.

4. he mentioned that when he disagrees with the branch (aka the fds) he's learned to just do what they say.

bjc2read

Hi "Kneehighmiah":

You said:

It was the public address about Jehovah rocking the nations. He said that he could not back up or explain the dates 1914 or 1919 but if they had questions ask their teacher...

What?!?

Are you kidding me?

He [District Overseer at the Assembly] actually said from the platform publicly,

"...he could not back up or explain the dates of 1914 or 1919, but if they had questions ask their teacher."

That's nothing short of incredible!!!

Wow!

Thanks, for relating that huge bit of news from the assembly.

bjc

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How Many Circuit Overseers And District Overseers Really Believe The Governing Body Is Really The Faithful and Discreet Slave and That The Watchtower Is God's Earthly Organization?

by frankiespeakin in

i'm thinking around 20% have serious doubts and 99% have some doubts but keep them from becoming conscious to avoid cognitive dissonance.

this is becoming increasingly harder to do over the fact that the governing body are showing their true colors and the contridictions are so great..

bjc2read

Also this experience, by "Maximus" [deceased, retired District Overseer, who used to post on JW.Com.]

"Observer17" relates:

I found this quote from "Maximus," taken from this link:

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/6496/76321/post.ashx#76321 [old JW.Com Board]

...There are some extremely disgruntled exCO-DOs out there (and more than a few active ones) who will tell intimates how they feel but who must play the game for the locals.

Maximus