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Son asked today

by crazy2try in

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neither of them ever asked to go.

he then asked about my family.

he asked if that was because my mom is no longer a jw.

wheelwithinwheel

Good job mom. Keep up the good work and I think your son will do just fine.

I believe the GB talks do more harm than good. It sure was our case.

Among other GB memorable talks, I remember one that went way overtime and I mean way, way.

I had just had an assembly part and been told in no uncertain terms by the D.O and C.O if I went overtime I would be signalled to get off the stage immediately and I could be sure it would be my last assembly talk.

I was also looking after the Theocratic school and the guidebook clearly said going overtime was an evident lack of respect for your audience.

So you can imagine my thoughts on the last assembly day, during one of the last talks, watching the GBM going on and on like a Duracell Bunny.

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strange comment from elder at the meeting today

by Evidently Apostate in

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todays watchtower was especially nauseating but during the study one of them made the comment concerning the big a " jehovahs timetable is not contingent on all nations being saturated by the good news".

the study conductor reafirmed his point and then continued.. wait a fuggin minute!

there are 1.4 billion chinese on the earth and only 40 million profess christianity.

wheelwithinwheel

Boyzone I think you got it exactly right.

Before the JW's had to help the angels separate the sheep and goats. Hadda get it DONE!!...because one day soon they would have to preach that it was just too late to wake up....the door had been closed. And then the end would come.

Now Jehovah's going to look after it all, later on.

This way the G.B. can get rid of their staff, sell off the buildings and wait for the big A, no questions asked. The dubs get the message that the dreaded service is no longer urgent....

There are going to be a lot of irregular and inactive J-dubs.

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Video of Public Talk

by Pig in

for those interested in jehovahs witnesses or those wanting to return to the kindom hall, this video is to give you a realistic look at what goes on at the meetings.

enjoy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxmjm0muvvs.

wheelwithinwheel

Thanks so much Pig, for the happy memories. LOL I've enjoyed it a few times and have passed it on.

Just a great job, especially on the details. Love the drawings. It's all so true and pitiful.

Your video says a lot, and for some I think, could be more eye-opening than doctine-stuffed efforts.

Thanks again for a good laugh!!!

P.S. I'd like to see one with a JW mother explaining to her kid's teacher why she doesn't want her child participating in holdays like Mother's day, birthdays, sports, and other activities with his class.

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What's your pet-hate Witnessisms? Mine is 'in the truth'. Blegh!!

by oldlightnewshite in

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what's your pet-hate witnessisms?

mine is 'in the truth'.

blegh!!

wheelwithinwheel

Timely counsel

Fear of Man!!!

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Question For Those Who Have Been Around Awhile...

by BoomTown in

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i started fading about a year and a half ago after i saw serious problems within the organization and doctrinal flaws.

i was a ms, bethelite, pioneer for the better part of 10 years.. while pioneering as a ministerial servant i married a girl who wasn't considered "strong" in the truth despite being raised in the truth.

anyway for the better part of the last 18 months i talk to her about the flaws when an opportunity presents itself.she no longer goes out in the ministry(more or less for the last year).. .

wheelwithinwheel

Sounds to me like she's already well on her way. No more service. That's a big one. Sees serious flaws. That's another big step.

Be patient and don't push it. The process has begun. You probably need to say no more. Even if she opens the door, make sure you don't drown her with WT criticism. Give her time to think it out herself.

It sounds to me that all that is left are the meetings.

Take her out. From time to time plan the outing on meeting nights. Go away for the day on some Sundays. If you have a good time, she will begin having no problem missing meetings. She may even begin helping you plan activities to get away from attending meetings. We've seen it happen to friends of ours. Buy her a thoughful gift near but not on Christmas, her birthday or Valentine's day. Tell her it isn't to celebrate the holiday. It's just because you wanted to buy her something. She may come to understand there's nothing wrong with letting someone know they are special. Point out to her how great, generous and kind some worldly people are. She will make the contrast herself. You don't have to do it.

Once the meetings are over with or she attends once in a blue moon you will probably be where you want to be as a couple. Faded but still able to have contact with your wife's parents. While they may feel somewhat upset that she no longer attends, they are surely somewhat prepared since she has stopped FS. And faded is sure easier to accept and deal with than df'd.

In all the situations I've seen the biggest challenge is time. The person leaving needs time. Don't be impatient. Give her the time. It takes time to get someone in and it takes time to get someone out.

Good luck!!!!

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Do you feel sorry for the family members who shun you?

by SweetBabyCheezits in

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as each instance of shunning happens to me, it seems even more ridiculous than the last.. this weekend i took our kids to the park - wife opted out, understandably - and we let our daughter call my parents to inform them we'd be there.

this was my first time in the presence of my parents since our df announcement two weeks ago.. my mom and dad were 10-20 feet away much of the time and yet they never said a greeting or.. well anything.

at one point my daughter, who is aware of the shunning, mistakenly thought my mom called my name and shouted excitedly, "mawmaw, were you talking to daddy??

wheelwithinwheel

Yes, I do for some, like my mom.

My sister was df'd 35 years ago.

My dad sounds like yours. I don't feel bad for him. He just wrote my sister off as a casulty. In Israel he would probably have cast the first stone.

But my mother's miind was trapped. She felt she had to be true to her God but she also wanted to be true to her kid. She also wanted her kid to come back to God (the cult). She became a broken shell, eaten by WT guilt and personal guilt. She perhaps had mental health issues before, but over the years has become more and more mentally ill.

I'm certain the WT policy contributed to her mental illness. She lost all her interest in life. She now sits in a home for the elderly and tells everyone she is df'd, which she is not. I believe today she would accept to see my sister but it is just too late.

My dad and the JW relatives, as well as JW friends blame my sister for my mother's situation, saying my sister's df'ing brought on the sickness. They don't get it that the WT shunning policy has at the very least, made my mom's sickness a lot worse. Perhaps if it wasn't for the shunning she may not have become sick.

I recently watched a program about the Mao years in China. One of the interviewed spoke for the millions who obeyed Mao blindly and who is today shocked that it could have happened. He said it well: "We no longer thought, but just obeyed"

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The letter re: coil binding the elder book

by booby in

i think if an (intelligent) questioning jw was able to read the letter about coil binding the book the impact could/should be greater.

this letter should be an embarrassment to the gb.

what blatant and stupid instructions sent to a large group of men who are supposed to be available to instruct in an intelligent way persons coming with an assortment of life's problems.

wheelwithinwheel

This letter is quite a clear statement of just how far their head-scarf-mentality goes. As many sisters have commented over the years, it's way beyond scriptural. I'm sure equal rights discussion groups woulld be happy to receive a copy and learn how far JW have come over the years.

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Is the WT going to move on this leak?

by wheelwithinwheel in

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i'm sure the legal, public relations and other depts.

are all asking the gb how to handle this situation.

and i'm convinced the gb is scratching it's head trying to decipher j's spirit direction in all of this.

wheelwithinwheel

I'm sure the legal, public relations and other depts. are all asking the GB how to handle this situation. And I'm convinced the GB is scratching it's head trying to decipher J's spirit direction in all of this. Should they really move on it...could get a lot worse if they do.... News agencies are always looking for a good story...

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Is this weird or what?

by 1Robinella in

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the other day i was on the phone with my mother.

she lives about 20 minutes from the rest of the family.

she'll be 73 in november.

wheelwithinwheel

My aunt’s P.O. is doing an excellent job of looking after her. She’s 93, has no children, and still lives on her own. It’s amazing that, with all his duties as the presiding elder, he still manages to find time to even look after her financials. And we recently learned he now has power of attorney. He’s actually offered to move her in with his family. We’re extremely impressed with his loving attitude.

He has let it slip to a few brothers that she has a considerable amount of money but we’re convinced this has nothing to do with his interest in her affairs. Then again there are plenty of older ones in his congregation and she’s the only one he has insisted should move in with his family. Hmmm….

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Should I reply?

by wheelwithinwheel in

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i received this e-m from a well-meaning jw friend who hasn't cut me off and seems to still have hope i will return.

should i reply?

any ideas on what i should say?

wheelwithinwheel

Wow, I can't understand why my JW training didn't kick in. I just can't believe that I didn't even stop to consider the legend might have a pagan origin. I could have passed it on and got into big trouble. I guess I've been out too long and have let down my origin-guard.

Thanks for all the comments, I've decided I need to reply and I think your ideas will be very usefull.

Wheels