xmas, xmas trees, holloween, easter, etc... all ideas and concepts based on assumptions that whomever is being celebrated is real. nothing more than a perpetuating of a myth.
Monsieur
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XMAS AND XMAS TREES OF PAGAN ORIGIN? POSSIBLY NOT!
by badboy inoften xmas is associated with saturnalia by some people.. in fact saturnalia was celebrated 17 december to 23 december.. dies natalis natalis invicti was first celebrated on december 25 in about 270.. xmas trees are first mentioned in 1570.. no connection with paganism there..
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If the bible states that god kills children, then god is not real.
by Monsieur inanyone who believes in the god of the 'holy bible' (or any other god for that matter) should be able to explain the following logically-.
if god is love, why would he kill (by the sword, implying a terrifying and painful death) children, women, etc for the wrongs and 'sins' of others?.
if god is perfect, why did he see fit to destroy en entire prehistoric world (dinosaurs) when there was no sin to blame?.
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as you can see, even black holes are evident, even though for millions of years we were not conscious of them. Religion is the primary conduit in explaining god, thus my questions were directed to anyone who stills considers themselves religious and believing in God.
if a religious person sits down, and honestly considers these questions, it becomes clear that the God of the Holy Bible is not as straightfoward, devoid of hate and tolerant as religions teach, therefore that God does not exist.
The concept of God requires that He takes a position 'up-front', that he is evident, obvious, in your face even. Anything else (such as a 'being' of whom we are not conscious of) is not really God.
captain obvious,
regarding the suffering, my argument is that every new day inevitably brings new unfortunate 'incidents' that can be construed as evil. Not worse, just more of them.
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If the bible states that god kills children, then god is not real.
by Monsieur inanyone who believes in the god of the 'holy bible' (or any other god for that matter) should be able to explain the following logically-.
if god is love, why would he kill (by the sword, implying a terrifying and painful death) children, women, etc for the wrongs and 'sins' of others?.
if god is perfect, why did he see fit to destroy en entire prehistoric world (dinosaurs) when there was no sin to blame?.
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Monsieur
Anyone who believes in the god of the 'Holy Bible' (or any other god for that matter) should be able to explain the following logically-
If God is love, why would he kill (by the SWORD, implying a terrifying and painful death) children, women, etc for the wrongs and 'sins' of others?
If God is perfect, why did he see fit to destroy en entire prehistoric world (dinosaurs) when there was no sin to blame?
If we are made in the image of God, and we are more than willing to end the evil of this world given the 'power' to do so, why does God INSIST on letting this evil subsist on and on and on, creating more pain and suffering each day? (isnt '6 thousand years' or however long of the SAME result enough for ANY intelligent being to formulate a sound assesment??)
i would pose these questions to ANY religion. if not one religion can answer them, then how can God be real?
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Why does god kill children?
by Comatose ini was thinking about all the accounts in the bible that indicate god kills children as a punishment or teaching experience.
1. kills all of egypts firstborn sons, who were innocent kids who did nothing to him or his people, who had no control over the decisions pharoah made.
how many times have you read that account or thought about it without realizing the devastating pain dealt to all those parents, and remembered those were innocent kids?.
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Monsieur
This should should throw a HUGE red flag out there.
The vast expanse between 'god of love' and killing of any living creature, much less children should make one stop and think, "this does not add up in any conceivable, logical, etc way imaginable. "
ANY religion teaching this has a very complicated time explaining it.
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Evolution is Crap, there I said it!
by Crazyguy inok i started another thread and every one jumped on me because i was trying to take the theory of evolution out of the mix and most here seem to believe in it so i will just say it.
the theory of major evolution is crap!
the theory is falling apart.
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Monsieur
I have done very little research, and i mean VERY little, on evolution...
however, i've always been fascinated by the fossil record dinosaurs left.
this very tangible record which i have researched somewhat has indeed opened up a can of worms. and the more science reveals about these fossils, the more i question why the Bible ignored such record.
when it comes to evolution we might tend to focus on organisms and constitutions here on planet Earth; there are however (or there must be) what science calls evolution reflected in the entire universe.
much to study and learn, there is.
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God's problem: Randomness
by rawe ini would like some input on this idea.
i have seen folks speak about god's problem in regards to suffering.
that subject does raise some serious obstacles between the views of god most people have and the real world.
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rawe,
Maybe we're talking about two different things, but I think my view is the exact opposite of that. Other than the essential randomness at the quatum level, in the larger macro world, nature follows laws that cannot be violated.
if this is the case, then nothing is trully random.
and if this is the case, then 'reality' is trully perception. What you constitute as randomness or chaos, i can refer to order and design.
which means there is no right, and there is no wrong. (one man's garbage is another man's treasure- one man's terrorist is another man's liberator).
injecting God into this mix allows us to decide, take sides to speak.
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God's problem: Randomness
by rawe ini would like some input on this idea.
i have seen folks speak about god's problem in regards to suffering.
that subject does raise some serious obstacles between the views of god most people have and the real world.
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rawe
it appears that you are making the common mistake of attempting to 'inject' God into the scientific and natural formula.
in nature, chaos can reign supreme, especially when we have absolutely ZERO control over events (such as tsunamis, tornadoes, earthquakes, floods, etc...) when these events ocur, we see planet Earth going through a cause and effect due to temperatures, gravity etc.
anything living that gets caught in these 'disasters' is obviously unfortunate.
in nature, living things are born and die, some can live a long time, others not. some will die of disease, others will get eaten, and others will be plainly murdered (pest control) or (gang violence).
man attempts to explain these things with a concept known as God. God attempts to fullfill this ancient and well known phrase,
ordo ab chao - out of chaos, order
but for this to happen, you need an incredible amount of faith.
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What do you think happens when we die?
by cognac ini'm trying to figure it out.
if we are just dead then there is no point to anything i do.
i'd like to hope our energy goes somewhere... but, i'd like to examine what somebody presents as proof....
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Monsieur
people who saw 'the light' obviously weren't dead yet...so that rules that out.
Is there a doggy or kitty heaven/elsewhere?
what about a vegetable/plant heaven/elsewhere/dimension where they go to after they have been harvested and baked into bread?
living things are ALL made up the same- living cells, that die.
why would it be any different for another form of living organisms, humans?
remember this, you will ALWAYS FIND PROOF if something is REAL, even of invisible wind and electric currents.
so far, there is ABSOLUTELY ZERO proof of an afterlife.
stop for a moment to wonder why...
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The world WILL end, but not for religious reasons...
by Monsieur ini've been watching a very interesting documentary regarding the state of planet earth.. in a nutshell, (scientifically/physically/factualy) earth is experiencing 'pressure' that points to one inevitable result, to correct itself (or more specifically, to correct the effects of the present human cause, in ex- pollution, global warming, resource depletion etc.)..
the last time earth 'corrected' itself, there was mass extinction.
for proof, check out the dinosaur fossil record (unless they are a hoax.).
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Why do animals grow old and die?...
by nolongerconfused inso what is a jw's explanation on why animals grow old and die?.....
last time i checked, animals did not sin nor did they rebel against god.... so why do they have the same fate as humans?.
has anyone asked this question?.
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Monsieur
The answer to this question is simple.
Animals die because it is nature. Living things have a beginning and an end.
This is why humans also die, it is nature, and there is nothing that proves otherwise.
The only difference between animals and humans, is that humans are more intelligent and more self conscious. This does not equate to a longer life however. See trees that last hundreds of years...or tortoises for that matter.
Have you ever stared at a tortoise and realized 'you are most likely going to live longer than i am'?
Existentialists call this 'absurd', if an animal could talk it would tell you 'no, it's nature'.