i am thinking that maybe i missed this discussion or something.
now for years in the org i never ever paid attention to the article that says jesus is the mediator for the 144000 alone.
yesterday talking to my 70+ year old dad he got violently angry with me and threw his cane at me because he said i was a liar.. .
"It's about having a personal relationship with Jesus and knowing that through his sacrifice he also plays a major role in our day to day communique with God. "
Why would anyone want a personal relationship with Jesus? He is the mediator bringing one to Jehovah God.
Why have the relationship with the mediator when the purpose is to have the relationship with Jehovah God?
this new couple moved in a couple weeks ago.
special/regular pioneers, he's an elder from bethel.
i think he might have been a co at one time.
Is this like David Manolvich, special pioneer family, being assigned to the Gadsden AL congregation in the late 1980s. There may have been alot of fallout because that is where Ray Franz was living at that time.
i am thinking that maybe i missed this discussion or something.
now for years in the org i never ever paid attention to the article that says jesus is the mediator for the 144000 alone.
yesterday talking to my 70+ year old dad he got violently angry with me and threw his cane at me because he said i was a liar.. .
Since the Great crowd has no mediator we are still saved by washing our robes and making them white in the blood of the lamb.
Dude. Rev 7 says the great crowd came out of the great tribulation. Thus whether they needed a mediator for that or not, does not matter, they are through it. They are saved.
Seriously. Think it through first before you start another lame topic.
is jesus your mediator?
were these men anointed christians?
... jesus christ, is not the mediator between jehovah god and all mankind.
Why do I need one?
What needs to be mediated?
i have always wondered why, as jw's, we would always say jt baptiser instead of jt baptist like everyone else.
it bugged me, so i refused to say it.
does anyone know why the wtbts uses the 'baptiser' moniker instead of the norm?.
John was not a baptist. Baptists are a protestant breed. Protestantism did not come until 1000 + years later.
He was a baptizer because that is what he did.
It is not a Watchtower thing other than to bring out that fact.
the saying people will make the same mistake over and over again is so true.
in the "revelation grand climax at hand" the revised one 2006 the wt again makes the same error and attributes the words at rev 22:12 to jehovah on pgs 306 and to jesus on the last page 319. you would think they would have learned their lesson from the 1978 wt blunder.
they almost use the same wording discussing the suddeness of jesus coming and jesus encourages his followers of his sudden coming and they list 5 scriptures and say jesus spoke them and one of the verses is (rev 22:12).
Please don't be critical about the identity of Jesus and Jehovah.
JWs got it right.
But with Regard to Rev 22:12, it does not give an identity. However since vs 13 says " I am the Al′pha and the O?me′ga", it is Jehovah speaking
and " the first and the last, the beginning and the end." would also apply to him too without affecting Jesus.
Since there is no change between vs 12 and vs 13, vs 12 would also be Jehovah. But the verbage could also refer to Jesus.
However, since vs 16 says ‘I, Jesus, sent my angel", which would indicate a change in speaker, then vs 12-15 would be Jehovah.
Why does it matter what the Watchtowers, Awakes and books say? The Bible is not clear on the issue.
billions of human beings right now are muslims, hindus, buddhists, etc, etc.
they do not know a jot about 'jehovah' or the 'watchtower bible & tract society of new york" etc etc.
what is going to happen to these billions of persons at armageddon?.
"In your heart of hearts, do you really, honestly, truly believe a God of love is going to slaughter all of them because they never took a Watchtower and Awake magazine on a Saturday morning?"
Let's hope so. Who needs muslims or Budhists anyway. Without them the world with be more peaceful.
the military is trying to get rid of them now. Withiout those billions, there would be more for the rest of us.
I don't know why this is an issue. Those same billions will die within the next 70 years anyway.
last week a friend of mine contacted me out of the blue asking if we could have lunch together.
my friend has been studing with the jw's on and off for about 11-12 years i think.
she has told me everytime i see her that she can't wait for jehovah to end this evil world...she can't wait for the new system...the end is so close....etc.. i sent her a message back telling her that i left the jw's and asked her if she had heard that.
The origianal post is stuipidl.
"But I asked if she was baptized yet because if she was she can't talk to me and had to shun me."
That is not true. One does not 'have' to do that.
".I then explained that I'm an apostate according to WT and she can't talk to me."
Again, dumb, dumb, dumb
Why are you putting up conversation stoppers telling her what you think she believes and has to do?
The Reasoning book and Cross? Ofcourse that is no big deal No one knows what he died on.
Better to not believe it is a cross than to believe it because the world uses it too much.
You did a bad job at this. You should have focused on the end being close and her need to be baptized.
using bible in determing the date of the creation of adam .
anyone in their right mind believe this to be true in today age.. don,t you think this nullify the whole bible?
the very first book.
What does not make sense to me is the confusing of languages in Babel.
As if that would stop humans from making towers and thinking they can accomplish anything.
And if God is not a God of disorder, but a God of peace, Confusing the languages betrays that.
Look at how the Bible is argued because of translation problems.
i actually got a bucket close by and read some of the study ed.
july 13 w.t my first reaction was amazement at how very muddled the whole thing was, i think if i had all those months to write articles since the noo lite was presented at the agm i could make a much better job of arguing the new ideas, and our very own sd7 could do even better !.
for instance, it is claimed in the chart, and the 2nd article i think, that the harvest began in 1914, by whom ?.
Jakelm said:
have guilted myself before thinking I was ridiculing the coming just as the scripture that you quoted. However, if the coming is true, I am content to wait and work on my christian personality. My contention is not where is the Coming; but rather, why has WT been saying they are God's channel to mankind and the obvious fact is that they haven't hit the side of a barn with a tank with their expectations.
I used to be one that would use that scripture against the ridiculers. But I don't expect the GB to be right on their expectations. The problem I have is that there has been 6000 years of futility for this issue. What's the point of carrying it on? The results won't change.
Having the WT organization blast that Armeggedon is imminent for 130 years, insisting that we not just "seek the kingdom first", but that the kingdom is the only thing that we should seek and it's done by placing literature, building kingdom halls, assembly halls, and branches all of which they have found a way to profit off of is nonsense. WT has had millions of people that have "listened" to their ramblings for over a century, but the scripture you quoted is not a free ticket to continuous speculation without your credibility shot.
That is what the entire problem is in a nutshell. It is all about guilting people into focusing on doing things for their benefit
