Posts by Rattigan350

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The JWs slipped up again with the same Alpha and Omega error from 1978

by booker-t in

the saying people will make the same mistake over and over again is so true.

in the "revelation grand climax at hand" the revised one 2006 the wt again makes the same error and attributes the words at rev 22:12 to jehovah on pgs 306 and to jesus on the last page 319. you would think they would have learned their lesson from the 1978 wt blunder.

they almost use the same wording discussing the suddeness of jesus coming and jesus encourages his followers of his sudden coming and they list 5 scriptures and say jesus spoke them and one of the verses is (rev 22:12).

Rattigan350

Please don't be critical about the identity of Jesus and Jehovah.

JWs got it right.

But with Regard to Rev 22:12, it does not give an identity. However since vs 13 says " I am the Al′pha and the O?me′ga", it is Jehovah speaking

and " the first and the last, the beginning and the end." would also apply to him too without affecting Jesus.

Since there is no change between vs 12 and vs 13, vs 12 would also be Jehovah. But the verbage could also refer to Jesus.

However, since vs 16 says ‘I, Jesus, sent my angel", which would indicate a change in speaker, then vs 12-15 would be Jehovah.

Why does it matter what the Watchtowers, Awakes and books say? The Bible is not clear on the issue.

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The only thing a JW needs to know to be set free from their religion

by yadda yadda 2 in

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billions of human beings right now are muslims, hindus, buddhists, etc, etc.

they do not know a jot about 'jehovah' or the 'watchtower bible & tract society of new york" etc etc.

what is going to happen to these billions of persons at armageddon?.

Rattigan350

"In your heart of hearts, do you really, honestly, truly believe a God of love is going to slaughter all of them because they never took a Watchtower and Awake magazine on a Saturday morning?"

Let's hope so. Who needs muslims or Budhists anyway. Without them the world with be more peaceful.

the military is trying to get rid of them now. Withiout those billions, there would be more for the rest of us.

I don't know why this is an issue. Those same billions will die within the next 70 years anyway.

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HA! Take that Watchtower! One less Borg for you!!!!!

by Gojira_101 in

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last week a friend of mine contacted me out of the blue asking if we could have lunch together.

my friend has been studing with the jw's on and off for about 11-12 years i think.

she has told me everytime i see her that she can't wait for jehovah to end this evil world...she can't wait for the new system...the end is so close....etc.. i sent her a message back telling her that i left the jw's and asked her if she had heard that.

Rattigan350

The origianal post is stuipidl.

"But I asked if she was baptized yet because if she was she can't talk to me and had to shun me."

That is not true. One does not 'have' to do that.

".I then explained that I'm an apostate according to WT and she can't talk to me."

Again, dumb, dumb, dumb

Why are you putting up conversation stoppers telling her what you think she believes and has to do?

The Reasoning book and Cross? Ofcourse that is no big deal No one knows what he died on.

Better to not believe it is a cross than to believe it because the world uses it too much.

You did a bad job at this. You should have focused on the end being close and her need to be baptized.

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There is no doubt that Adam wasn't the first man. How do believers get around that small fact?

by jam in

using bible in determing the date of the creation of adam .

anyone in their right mind believe this to be true in today age.. don,t you think this nullify the whole bible?

the very first book.

Rattigan350

What does not make sense to me is the confusing of languages in Babel.

As if that would stop humans from making towers and thinking they can accomplish anything.

And if God is not a God of disorder, but a God of peace, Confusing the languages betrays that.

Look at how the Bible is argued because of translation problems.

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A Couple of thoughts on July WT

by Phizzy in

i actually got a bucket close by and read some of the study ed.

july 13 w.t my first reaction was amazement at how very muddled the whole thing was, i think if i had all those months to write articles since the noo lite was presented at the agm i could make a much better job of arguing the new ideas, and our very own sd7 could do even better !.

for instance, it is claimed in the chart, and the 2nd article i think, that the harvest began in 1914, by whom ?.

Rattigan350

Jakelm said:

have guilted myself before thinking I was ridiculing the coming just as the scripture that you quoted. However, if the coming is true, I am content to wait and work on my christian personality. My contention is not where is the Coming; but rather, why has WT been saying they are God's channel to mankind and the obvious fact is that they haven't hit the side of a barn with a tank with their expectations.

I used to be one that would use that scripture against the ridiculers. But I don't expect the GB to be right on their expectations. The problem I have is that there has been 6000 years of futility for this issue. What's the point of carrying it on? The results won't change.

Having the WT organization blast that Armeggedon is imminent for 130 years, insisting that we not just "seek the kingdom first", but that the kingdom is the only thing that we should seek and it's done by placing literature, building kingdom halls, assembly halls, and branches all of which they have found a way to profit off of is nonsense. WT has had millions of people that have "listened" to their ramblings for over a century, but the scripture you quoted is not a free ticket to continuous speculation without your credibility shot.

That is what the entire problem is in a nutshell. It is all about guilting people into focusing on doing things for their benefit

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A Couple of thoughts on July WT

by Phizzy in

i actually got a bucket close by and read some of the study ed.

july 13 w.t my first reaction was amazement at how very muddled the whole thing was, i think if i had all those months to write articles since the noo lite was presented at the agm i could make a much better job of arguing the new ideas, and our very own sd7 could do even better !.

for instance, it is claimed in the chart, and the 2nd article i think, that the harvest began in 1914, by whom ?.

Rattigan350

My thoughts..

They put the cart before the horse.

Ideally,putting the horse before the cart would mean that Jesus would have explained how things were to function in the last days.

But he didn't. Instead a printing company was started. It had followers. It grew into a religion with the printing company's board of directors being the leaders of it. They found that scripture of the Wise and faithful servant, retranslated it to Faithful and Discreet Slave and used it as a basis for authority to run the religion.

Also, the Catholics base their religion around one scripture. Matt 16 and upon this Rock I build my church applying it to Peter. Peter's successors are the popes.

the GB build their religion upon Matt 24:45-47 and the FDS.

The Catholics emotionally and unreasonably accept what the pope says. The JWs do the same with the FDS teachings.

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George Jones (aka: the Possum) died today

by drewcoul in

he was my dad's favorite.

i can remember many many evenings my uncles coming over (all jw's) and listening to the old vinyl records (which i still enjoy).

its kind of a strange time in my life.

Rattigan350

That's something that gets me about JWs. It is good that people do something and leave memories and a legacy for years.

Nothing wrong with personal recognition.

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Working on a Sunday.

by LouBelle in

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well i wouldn't really call it hard work, but i have to come into the office and sit and wait for the phone to ring.

i work every 3rd weekend and it really is unpleasant.

9 hours each day with nothing to do but wait for the phone to ring.

Rattigan350

You mean you are missing meetings because of work?

I have to work every 4th sunday. Overtime and a good excuse to get out of the meetings. I get my email read and read stuff on here and other projects.

I can download the Watchtower and read it, why go to the meeting and hear someone read it and the audience reread it.

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We Are Telling You. You Cannot Go To University! Why? Because You Are A Drone!

by LoisLane looking for Superman in

the governing body members do not want anyone to have "higher" education, unless, as we all know, it benefits them.

lol.

to keep millions of people, under educated, under fulfilled, strictly obedient to them, makes jehovah's witnesses, easier to manipulate, easier to handle, easier to make into drones.. wake up people!.

Rattigan350

Not focusing on University, but on University sports...

The GDP would be so much higher if there were no University sports. All of the time lost at work with sports watching and pools.

So much resources put into college sports. Partying and Frat houses.

I have to say that discouraging University isn't all bad because it discourages those mindless sports.

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Another Lie/Revisionist History in todays WT study!!

by BU2B in

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i caught yet another revisionist history deception in todays wt lesson.. .

here is a quote from paragraph 4 of the 2/15/13 study edition.

"decades before 1914, jehovah's worshippers declared to the nations that the end of "the appointed times of the nations" would come in that year and that the world would enter into an unequaled period of trouble.".

Rattigan350

I'm not seeing the problem because the whole thing was vague. The whole article was vague.

Also, I don't see how people can criticize Russell and those back then. They did the best they could with what they had.

And I don't see those as prophesies since they were using the Bible as a guide. Prophesies require something to be original.