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  Was Satan Cast Out of Heaven in 1914?

  by Kenneson in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  according to jws christ established his kingdom in the heavens in 1914 and subsequently cast satan out of heaven then.

  and they point to rev.

  12:7-9 for "proof.

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  Rattigan350

  Yes, Satan was cast from heaven in 1914 according to scripture.

  But I don't see how a spirit, something without form or shape or body can be cast anywhere.
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  Watchotwer video: How to stop a bully without using your fist...lol.

  by Joliette in

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  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zm2gemsmw2y.

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  pot calling the kettle black?.

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  "I was bullied in school. I didn't use my fist. I used my foot. Those bullies were afraid of me. A well place hoof to the shins or knee and they were running from me." Exactly What can be fun about not using your fist to stop bullies?

  "But Jesus commands to turn the other cheek so they may strike that one. Have they found New Light TM then?"

  I am so tired of this "Jesus commands" Jesus did not command anything. He was not a commander.

  He did not command field service or the memorial or paying taxes or anything.
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  Taking responsiblity: Audrie Potts and the events

  by Rattigan350 in

  1. social
  2. current

  "the family of a california girl want serious consequences for the three 16-year-old boys charged in her sexual assault and held responsible for driving the teen to her death.".

  yes, what those kids did was really bad, sexually assaulting her and taking pictures and posting them.. but why aren't the parent taking responsiblity for the ultimate cause.

  "the california teens are accused of sexually abusing audrie pott, 15, while she was passed out drunk at a classmates house party".. "15, while she was passed out drunk at a classmates house party".. .

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  "The family of a California girl want “serious consequences” for the three 16-year-old boys charged in her sexual assault and held responsible for driving the teen to her death."

  Yes, what those kids did was really bad, sexually assaulting her and taking pictures and posting them.

  But why aren't the parent taking responsiblity for the ultimate cause. "The California teens are accused of sexually abusing Audrie Pott, 15, while she was passed out drunk at a classmate’s house party".

  " 15, while she was passed out drunk at a classmate’s house party".

  Really????

  Why is not blame being placed on the classmates and her family for having a party that served alcohol to 15 year olds, where those 15 year olds got drunk and passed out? Why is blame not being placed on her parents for allowing her to go to such a thing.

  The parents need to be better monitors of their children and she should have been home studying for school rather than partying. The problem with this world is not cutting off the problems before they become problems, but want to blame the obvious. Even if there had been no rape and resulting pictures, would any of them have learned anything from her just getting drunk and passed out? That is what is sad. Because of that, this is doomed to be repeated.

  Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/audrie-pott-family-calls-serious-consequences-3-charged-sexual-assault-teen-suicide-article-1.1317587#ixzz2QcXeDSWD
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  Is there anyone out there who married a non jW...?how did it turn out for ?Are u happy?

  by Chichi89 in

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  2. friends

  please be honest....did love conquer it all?.

  how did u make it work?.

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  to nonjwspouse:

  you said " married to a man who was raised JW, left as a teen, never dunked. He was out of 30 years, didn't ever plan to go back but the red flag I ignored was he said he woud never attend another church and he still believed what the JW teach. "

  How is that a redflag? He is smart and good if he would never attend another church. Other churches are still bad.

  And nothing wrong with believing with Jws teach. The problem is the organization and since he was not baptized, the organization was not in him.

  "He promised to raise our now 8 year old daughter Catholic". Why would anyone want to do that. That is worse that raising her JW.
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  JW Divorce Rate

  by sandy in

  1. social
  2. relationships

  anybody know what the jw divorce rate is these days?.

  how many dub couples do you know that got divorced?.

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  Rattigan350

  Well, look at how they base marriages on.

  Common interests in field service, and meeting attendance and other organizational activities.

  But what do people get divorces over?

  money, sex, family, children, etc.

  JWs don't know how to deal with those things.

  Bad in money, sex and too tied to family.

  So many marriages that are just stagnant because all they do is the theocratic stuff.
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  More KM convention instruction gems! (KM Feb 04)

  by ozziepost in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  truthseeker brought news to us of the controlling instructions in the april km .

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/68733/1.ashx.

  just two months before (feb04) were instructions on how to make hotel and motel reservations and has these mind-numbing gems: (they're on page 8) .

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  There was a congregation in the city that had their meeting on Thursday. But when the convention list was announced, they moved their meeting to a Monday night so they can have the list before the Tuesday night meeting cong could use it. I don't know how they justified that to the congregation or as elders. A few years later the CO put an end to that.
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  Watchtower says:You can be Disfellowshiped for being FAT!!!!!

  by Witness 007 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  watch 1974 p.167 "by disobediently overindulging in food and making a glutton of himself, he fails to show love for jehovah...is food a big thing in his life?

  in the presence of others does he selfishly ignore their needs and take far more than his fair share?

  is he grossly overweight?

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  Gluttony is not a reason to disfellowship. I can go to a buffet and eat 9 pieces of pizza and dessert and not gain any inches or weight. I do that because I can. And if I couldn't do that then I wouldn't. Which goes to self control.

  I think that gluttony has more to do with greed and wastefulness. (Sure it is wasteful for me to eat 9 pieces of pizza in one sitting as it comes out the other end the next day, but then so does any fiber)

  But others can eat a little and gain weight and inches. But they gain weight and inches and don't stop.

  You CAN'T GAIN WEIGHT BY BREATHING. Eating must be done. It is a matter of self control.

  If you are at a filling station and the pump turns off when the tank is full, the pump stops and you stop pumping. Then burn it up and that empties the tank and when the tank is low you fill up again.

  Humans don't have that mentality with their bodies. They fill it up, don't burn it up and then fill it up again.

  It is not an issue of disfellowshipping but as the original post said: "because of his greedy ways they may SHUN HIM....he may incur Gods displeasure and LOSE HIS LIFE...in the near future God will bring lawdefying GLUTTONS TO AN END.."

  Yeah, we shun fat people because they are fat. We don't need an official announcment of disfellowshipping for that. Human nature does that. And yes they will lose their lives because it is unhealthy.
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  Proper understanding of the Mediator & New Covenant

  by Crazyguy in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  mediator and the new covenant.

  the society has taught that only the 144,000 are to par-take of the emblems and jesus only mediates and died for them.

  "he is the mediator between his heavenly father, jehovah god, and the nation of spiritual israel, which is limited to only 144,000 members.

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  I wish this topic would stop surfacing when it need not.

  Moses was the mediator of a covenant between Jehovah God and the 12 tribes of Israel. Those not born in

  Israel, couldn't change that fact by their arguing doctrine.

  That forshadowed how Jesus would be mediator between Jehovah God and a new nation of Israel. A spiritual nation of Israel.

  That was also 12 tribes and totals 144,000. Those not born into that nation can't change that by arguing doctrine.

  So what's the point of arguing?
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  WT Mar 15th 2012 - 144,000 no longer a literal number?

  by dozy in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  reading idly through this magazine , i read the study article "rejoicing in our hope" which discusses the two "hopes" according to the wtbts ie heaven & earth.. a couple of points were of interest:.

  (1) absolutely no mention at all of the 144,000 or rev 14. usually an article like this would be filled with references , but it isn't even mentioned.

  it does discuss the "limited number" , but only in contrast with the "no man can number" great crowd.. (2) a much more laid back attitude towards the two hopes.

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  Rattigan350

  Why do people keep concerning themselves over anointing and going to heaven. Neither are something one has control over.
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  Has Gambling Become A Conscience Issue Among JWs?

  by FreeAtLast1914 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the reason i ask is that i have a coupe of cousins who are still jws who have gone gambling in casinos with us.

  i have a brother-in-law who openly brags about his "perfect" blackjack strategy he employs in vegas when he's in town.. i know that growing up as a jw, gambling of any kind was a dfing offense.. is my jw family simply more liberal than most, or has there been a subtle shift in this area since i've been out?.

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  Gambling isn't the DFing offense, "making a practice of" gambling is.

  No, losing is.

  Winning and being intelligent about it, would be the opposite.

  I don't see why anyone would tell anyone else about it. Always keep winning quiet.