Posts by Saintbertholdt

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Farewell

by EdenOne in

"don't be dismayed by good-byes.

a farewell is necessary before you can meet again.

and meeting again, after moments or lifetimes, is certain for those who are friends.

Saintbertholdt

I promised that unless there was a full retraction from Viviane only one of us would remain as a contributor to this forum.

Hi EdenOne,

This sounds like a bit of a tactic: Acquiesce to my demand or else...

Well leaving for good, that's up to you now isn't it?

Is it really worthwhile giving up being able to vent about the organization that caused us all such grief?

Why don't you just calm down and remove the arrow from your knee.

Then put the kettle on, and go and have some tea.

Let things calm down a bit and then come back when you're ready to resume your dual with Viviane.

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BBC: World's oldest-known living cancer '11,000 years old'

by GodZoo in

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-25864236 the world's oldest-known living cancer dates back 11,000 years, according to uk scientists.. it arose in a single dog and has survived in canines ever since, with the cancer cells passing between animals when they mate.. a team led by the wellcome trust sanger institute near cambridge decoded the dna of the cancer.. it revealed the "genetic identikit" of an ancient husky-like dog, which first developed the disease.so.. it seems that despite man being only 6,000 years old and 5,000 years before imperfection entered humanity and the natural world and when genesis 1:31 stated: "god saw all that he had made, and it was very good.

"he was already killing dogs and set them up to die very slow and painful deaths..

Saintbertholdt

Interesting...

A bit off topic, the oldest living human cancer cells come from a lady named Henrietta Lacks (HeLa) who died in 1951.

Her cervical cancer cells are still cultured to this very day for use in all sorts of scientific research.

So ironically Henrietta's cancer has outlived her by 64 years.

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Was my dad awake?!

by EyesOpenHeartBroken in

i am wondering if my deceased elder father was awake?

once we found out he was dying, i spent every moment i could with him, we were very close.

anyway, i offered to read to him a lot when he was resting.

Saintbertholdt

he...wanted me to read only the Bible, particularly the books of John and James... He also told me those books were all I needed to be a Christian, the "rest is background noise".

That's neat. Your dad sounds like he was a very thoughtful man.

Welcome.

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3 words to describe.....

by punkofnice in

..your experience with the watchtower corporation:.

i'll start...... bully boy elders.

Saintbertholdt

3 words to describe...your experience with the watchtower corporation:

Bureaucratic

Autocratic

Disillusionment

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Cooperate Members of the Watchtower Society

by James Jack in

a older sister in miami florida has told me that the special pioneer couple who got their walking papers last week said they are also voting members of the watchtower society.

also his stock share is valued at $800,000!.

i did some research and spoke to some longtime witnesses and found out that there are 500 voting members of the society and they are also called shareholders.. has anyone ever of someone selling his share?.

Saintbertholdt

Hey Half Banana,

I have a different take: Rutherford taught Knorr how things work. You can live it up, travel first class, see the world, have comfortable lodgings, wield lots of power over the faithful, and want for no material possession while you're alive, but you've got to expand Jehoober's kingdom. So I think Knorr viewed himself as some sort of Prince/King of a spiritual Israel. He got to have a comfortable lifestyle and lifelong reign which he thought God allowed him in exchange for full devotion.

I think the Watchtower leadership back then was delusional, but I don't think they were covertly financially crooked with regards to the stashing of cash/shares.

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Cooperate Members of the Watchtower Society

by James Jack in

a older sister in miami florida has told me that the special pioneer couple who got their walking papers last week said they are also voting members of the watchtower society.

also his stock share is valued at $800,000!.

i did some research and spoke to some longtime witnesses and found out that there are 500 voting members of the society and they are also called shareholders.. has anyone ever of someone selling his share?.

Saintbertholdt

*pssst...Penton was a history professor...not law.

Sorry I was actually mixing him up with Gary Botting.

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Cooperate Members of the Watchtower Society

by James Jack in

a older sister in miami florida has told me that the special pioneer couple who got their walking papers last week said they are also voting members of the watchtower society.

also his stock share is valued at $800,000!.

i did some research and spoke to some longtime witnesses and found out that there are 500 voting members of the society and they are also called shareholders.. has anyone ever of someone selling his share?.

Saintbertholdt

If by "the" women you're referring to Russell's inheritors. well maybe.

But as regards voting shares in general the split would have been pretty even regarding gender in those days.

I can see many a mother saving her pennies in a kitchen jar until she had the 10 dollars to buy a share in the Lords work. And many men would have bought shares because they thought they were becoming part of God's theocratic process.

So how come they gave it up so easily/willingly?

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Cooperate Members of the Watchtower Society

by James Jack in

a older sister in miami florida has told me that the special pioneer couple who got their walking papers last week said they are also voting members of the watchtower society.

also his stock share is valued at $800,000!.

i did some research and spoke to some longtime witnesses and found out that there are 500 voting members of the society and they are also called shareholders.. has anyone ever of someone selling his share?.

Saintbertholdt

"It may have been possible to obscure the status of the original shareholders with the promise of "look no more financially interested shareholding" but still leaving the original shareholders to make profits?"

Seems unlikely, the 1945 charter amendment states: "The corporation has no capital stock."

But have a gander at it, perhaps there is more to it than I can see. The devil may be in the details :)

http://www.a2z.org/wtarchive/docs/1945_Charter_of_the_Watch_Tower_Bible_and_Tract_Society.pdf

I'll will say this to our collective dismay: People like law professor James Penton has also studied the document, and he made no bones about it.

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Cooperate Members of the Watchtower Society

by James Jack in

a older sister in miami florida has told me that the special pioneer couple who got their walking papers last week said they are also voting members of the watchtower society.

also his stock share is valued at $800,000!.

i did some research and spoke to some longtime witnesses and found out that there are 500 voting members of the society and they are also called shareholders.. has anyone ever of someone selling his share?.

Saintbertholdt

"Did the WTS just kick the women to the curb and confiscate the stock value?"

If the majority of shareholders of a corporation vote to dissolve their shares at zero cost and decide to give their voting rights over to a new scheme, the minority still has to abide.

This is what seemingly happened in 1945 with an overwhelming majority vote (Over 200 000+)

So it seems as if the bulk of the shareholders (men and women) were happy to give these shares back to the WTBTS directors to do with how they saw fit. Which the directors then duly did by hand picking the voting shareholders :)

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Cooperate Members of the Watchtower Society

by James Jack in

a older sister in miami florida has told me that the special pioneer couple who got their walking papers last week said they are also voting members of the watchtower society.

also his stock share is valued at $800,000!.

i did some research and spoke to some longtime witnesses and found out that there are 500 voting members of the society and they are also called shareholders.. has anyone ever of someone selling his share?.

Saintbertholdt

He wanted to inherit Rutherford's kingdom. It would appear politic or to use JW terminology,"theocratic" for him to abolish the monetary shares in the society in 1945 but would it not be in his financial and power interests to honour the original investments?

I would agree. The directors could hand pick the nominees (voters) henceforth. Which meant that they would rubber stamp whatever the WT directors wanted. That is the norm to this very day. Being nominated is perceived as a privilege and so these voters are basically yes men to whatever the directors propose.