Saintbertholdt

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  Why don't you do anything?

  by WireRider in

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  i'm not jw, so i see this all standing up and very clear from an outsider perspective (i am still seeking my path).

  i joined the blog a few weeks ago.

  i dated a divorced jw (jw from birth) for a couple of years recently.

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  Saintbertholdt

  Hi WireRider,

  What I do know is a 1000 different TTATT dissociated websites isn't going anywhere and has no impact. Which is the basis for the WT/JW - if you leave, or if they kick you out, you'll have no place to go.

  I disagree. Having one website or very few is exactly what the Watchtower has done. So having one controlling organization replace another is perhaps not the best possible route to take. Part of the beauty of this world is that there are so many diverse opinions and so when one leaves one can research the Watchtower organization from a billion different angles. People leave the Watchtower for various personal reasons. I myself left not because I only disagreed with the Watchtower, but because I felt and still feel that the all religions are essentially bogus..

  Just for interest, there have been attempts at organizations which you describe: http://aawa.co/ (Advocates for Awareness of Watchtower Abuses.)

  You're screwed. Give them some place to go and feel welcome.

  The website you are on now: www.jehovahs-witness.com has been around for more than 16 years and you found it. There have been tens of thousands of members over the past decade and a half. Some stay for years, others leave but return, others move on permanently. This is as it should be.

  BTW Welcome.

  Find a way out. Provide a plausible alternative. Start a new church. Online church - I don't know.

  Now this is an A1 kaka idea. Let me give you an analogy: You're an alcoholic and you come to the conclusion that you should stop drinking because its obviously extremely hazardous to your health. Over the decades you've stuck to one particular drink, a bourbon that has been aged over a hundred years and is exceptionally refined, although it will still give you liver cirrhosis. When you finally quit, someone comes along and tells you that the solution to your problem is to start drinking again, however not a refined alcohol to which you're accustomed, but a newly backyard stilled corn hooch.

  In short, if you want religion after you leave the Watchtower, it should be left to your own devices regarding which one to pick.
  
  
  
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  OMG JW Sea Org

  by sherrie11 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i found this picture and i just can't believe it?

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  http://www.jw-archive.org/post/130152768378/jw-booth-at-a-book-fair-in-brazil-photo-shared-by#.

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  Saintbertholdt

  Rutherford, on the other hand, probably has a chubby harder than his dessicated corpse.

  Rutherford would rather have another drink or seven.

  OMG JW Sea Org

  I still think JW's and Scientology should meld. Jehovah's Scientists - Imagine them going door to door preaching about Body Thetans, Sea Org Pioneers and Bible Auditing.
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  Are the GB very intelligent men with higher than average IQ? Or are they stupid men who were put in their position by sheer “LUCK”

  by John Aquila in

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  2. scandals

  are the governing body of the wt wickedly smart with extremely high iq or are they leaders of the wt because they were at the right place at the right time.

  (in other words, pure luck )-think lottery.

  ive seen them talk in jwtv and you can never convince anyone in the whole world that these guys are in the same category as someone smart or cunning like jim simons who founded renaissance technologies or bill gates.

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  Saintbertholdt

  Are the GB very intelligent men with higher than average IQ? Or are they stupid men who were put in their position by sheer “LUCK”

  Its that rare combination of persistence and organizational lackeyism. Above average intelligence is not a requirement. A bit of luck is also involved but most importantly you have to kiss the organizations ass until its nice and shiny and as a reward you'll eventually be promoted.

  
  
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  What death teaches!

  by iconoclastic in

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  2. beliefs

  death teaches that nothing belongs to us.

  no other teachings have been conveyed so clearly, powerfully, and globally.

  yet this is the one that is not taken seriously by people in general.

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  "It is a basic teaching of the BK that having sex with your wife is bad."

  "Life after death is as improbable as sex after marriage." - Madelain Kahn as Mrs. White
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  Where does the Society stand on Uniformitarianism?

  by marmot in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  my dad doesn't like the fact that i've come to accept the theory of evolution.

  he always accuses me of unquestioningly "buying into" what scientists say and says i don't apply critical thinking to the problem.

  so now i've decided to tackle his claim at the roots.

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  Saintbertholdt

  I am a 33rd level Scottish right Grand Wizard Uniformitarianist. We have lodges all over and Wednesdays is rib night. All are welcome. Dress code: Black tie and tails (male and female), white gloves and an apron.

  So which is it, according to the Society? Is the earth billions of years old and therefore uniformitarianism is true, or did a global flood cover the earth a few thousand years ago and uniformitarianism is a lie?

  The universe is Billions of years old but Jehovah only decided to start doing things to planet earth last week.

  So before the flood carbon 14 dating tests would have given different readings to tests done after the flood, yada yada yada.
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  Bible popularity??

  by Diogenesister in

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  2. bible

  more ikea catalogues were printed last year than bibles.. ikea is a swedish flatpack furniture store..

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  Saintbertholdt

  Ikea often has parts missing or too many parts added.
  

  Amen.
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  Bible popularity??

  by Diogenesister in

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  2. bible

  more ikea catalogues were printed last year than bibles.. ikea is a swedish flatpack furniture store..

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  Saintbertholdt

  Go Ikea go!

  
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  What death teaches!

  by iconoclastic in

  1. watchtower
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  death teaches that nothing belongs to us.

  no other teachings have been conveyed so clearly, powerfully, and globally.

  yet this is the one that is not taken seriously by people in general.

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  Saintbertholdt

  Iconoclastic,

  Have you read Steve Hassan's 'Combatting cult mind control'?

  Its a staple among the ex-jw community.
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  Watchtower Toledo buildings renovation designed by STATE-OF-THE-ART designer office

  by Gorbatchov in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  for people who already are bedazzled by the current stream of information about watchtower / jw.org real estate planning, renovation and the emergency stop on the building programma called out, i found today that the renovation design of the (impressive!

  ) toledo buildings for the watchtower real estate staff, is designed by a state of the art designer.

  http://www.hudsondesign.pro.

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  Saintbertholdt

  Nothing but the best...even if you can't really afford it.
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  My Mom Is Dying

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i just wanted to say that my dear 89 year old mom is terminally ill and will soon pass.

  she is on morphine and hanging on.

  she has been a devout witness for about 60 years and a wonderful mother.

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  Saintbertholdt

  Sorry to hear your mother is dying. Its good that you have had a great friendship wit her throughout her life. She must be very happy about that.