This is the best discusiion I ever "witnessed". (cant get rid of the term) thank you all. Science has removed us from the illusion to be the important center of the universe to being just a speck on a speck--- inside an immense universe. but it also has shown us how immense and old "in time" what we observe is, greatly enhancing the CAPACITY (energy) with which we would have to credit any creator. We are not talking about somebody walking in the garden or a smiling pot-bellied jolly fellow here. many ideas I could not have said better than by your texts above. . ------- to help me get a better picture of this, react to the following thoughts please.:
Agnophos: "time does not exist" do any of the other dimension exist before something is put into them? in the folded paper experiment, do the lines bring the xyz axi? into existence? does the computer clock bring the time dimension into existence? --------some time ago I put on beabeorean.com (sic) James 1:17 which seem to indicate that with god, time does not move or he does not move in time. With the folded paper, "to be" God I imagine time to be a PROPERTY of the creator rather than a creation. If you were free of the 3 dimensions and traveled back or forward in time past the limit of our material horizon, you would be travelling solely in time, time that must have existed before the BB the Big Beginning. The creator is eternal watching Achilles and the turtoise. thats my picture. space woven into time at the BB
Entirelypossible: "Energy and Matter the same THING"? yes, it is said that matter is just another form of energy and the two are declared equal by the = sign in the most famous equation. but there is a huge distinction between the two. Pontential energy can be the distance from a gravity well. it can be the tension in a coils spring, it can be the mass -less photon reaching us now from 13 billion years in the past. can you think of energy without matter, before matter? after matter? ----- your good comment on the "closed universe" was a double negative, and oriental minds dont follow it easily.
jgnat: many folds of paper? a good follow up demonstration. some theorists think that many dimensions are folded into our measely 3-4. but you would have to fold the paper down, not up to have the lines show on the outside to be still in the 3 space dimension, with the rest invisibly ( and the 10 dimension if they exist are said to be invisible to us) folded in the center. mythbusters tried that folding and of course you cannot t fold below the Plank length. The point is the creator pictured by yourself in front of your computer-clock is older than the paper, the lines-- and is bigger, even if the paper expands.
Terry, thanks for starting this. Yes time is represented in equation 3 as a "construct for computing" but it appears at least 4 times as "rest time" or resting in time as "moving time" or movement in time and in the "c" squared, which as speed has time as a divisor. so its a valid construct in our math models, but that model has its counterpart in the real world. its tested. to my mind time is eternal, an inherent property of the eternal creator, my own movement through time, (courtesy of stored energy supplied by the creator), after nearly nine decades is nearly over, and its "MADE" with discusiions like this. peace to you (because I have seen war)
