A thought experiment about what it means "to be" GOD

Terry

All believers in God begin with the premise that He is the creator.

But-STOP!

Go back one step. Just one!

What about BEFORE that?

What about BEFORE God was a creator.

Creation is the "beginning" for the created--but--not for god.

BEFORE God began creating.......he wasn't a CREATOR.

BEFORE God began creating.....there was nothing......and nothing TO KNOW. (Nothing to know about, you see.)

BEFORE God began creating...there was nothing and nothing to know....nobody and nothing to LOVE.

BEFORE God began creating...He was alone. In the middle of nothing...with nothing to think about....nobody to love....yet He was somehow different than nothing?

God wasn't anyplace. God wasn't doing anything with anybody. Eternity of nothing leaves God with nothing to distinguish Him from nothing and no time to BE.

God could not be ALL-KNOWING (there was nothing to know).

God could not be ALL-POWERFUL (nothing over which to exert power).

God could not be just, moral, loving or powerful (no wrongs to right, no good or bad and no action or event occuring.)

God could not be WISE (no knowledge about things as yet non-created).

Therefore:

In what sense could GOD actually EXIST? To exist you must BE something rather than nothing. How was God distinguishable from nothing?

God would have no attributes, identity or context.

A God of Love with nothing to love? A God of wisdom with nothing to actually know?

In order to BE God...there must already exist OTHER than God. Just as: for there to be a dream there must be a dreamer.

Consequently, only in the mind of MAN can God find context and omniscience, power, etc.

It is man who dreams of GOD and not the other way round.

designs

You're forgetting about the divine drafting table.

Satanus

Well, if there was something, the first experiment, imo, would be a change in state, and then back to the original state, again = binary. On off, black white, light dark.

S

designs

Before the Big Bang is the most difficult for us to comprehend. A contracting universe is something we can visualize even if we don't quite get it.

That damn Draft, did you get the honor of shuffling through the examine in those paper slippers.

Or, maybe it would keep the first state while making the second one. Then, it could make another 2 states, a copy of the original, making a total of 4. Then, 8, 16, 32 and so on. Just saying. Not a god. Not smart. Not powerful. Aware? Good question.

S

Ps, sorry about your draft. You gatta keep yourself covered.

Satanus

I suppose, awarness could come on gradually, w growth. They are predicting that computers will someday become aware. Awareness of other would come before self awareness. But, if there is nothing else, then self awareness would be the only game to play.

S

myelaine

dear Terry...

you said: "BEFORE God began creating...there was nothing and nothing to know....nobody and nothing to LOVE."...

God always knew and experiences love because of the unity of trinity...another "other" toward which love can be given and received...a constant reciprocity, so to speak, apart from creation. This God wanted to share the beauty of love.

the WTBTS Jehovah God is portrayed as a solitary entity who "needed to create" an object(s) for His affection.

love michelle

FlyingHighNow

In what sense could GOD actually EXIST? To exist you must BE something rather than nothing. How was God distinguishable from nothing?

God was God. That is something.

God would have no attributes, identity or context.

Says who?

A God of Love with nothing to love? A God of wisdom with nothing to actually know?

God would love God. God would be the personification of love and wisdom.

In order to BE God...there must already exist OTHER than God. Just as: for there to be a dream there must be a dreamer.

This is where you are obviously wrong, unless of course you're talking to a dyed in the wool atheist. You cannot get nothing from nothing. The fact that there is something proves there was never nothing.

Consequently, only in the mind of MAN can God find context and omniscience, power, etc.

Only in the mind of someone trying hard to convince himself there is no God could someone conceive of your last statement.

It is man who dreams of GOD and not the other way round.

In your opinion.

Your line of logic will fall fine on the ears of the atheist.

PSacramento

If God is a self-sustaining Triune entity, that answers all your questions.

There was NO point in which God was NOT creating or knowing or not-existing.

To pigeon hole God based on our incredibily limited understanding of the universe we know ( not to mention the universes we don't even know exist) is the hight of arrogance and ignorance.

Only man is so shallow as to think that He knows enough to make a comment on things He knows almost nothing about.

A thought experiment about what it means "to be" GOD

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