Posts by OHappyDay

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Is Jesus Mediator for the Great Crowd's prayers?

by jwfacts in

the watchtower makes the claim that jesus is only mediator for the 144,000 because only they are in the new covenant.

however i was looking on wikipedia.org and there is a statement that the watchtower does teach that jesus is mediator for the prayers of the great crowd.

does anyone know if this is correct?

OHappyDay

We can see that Paul is addressing the issue of prayer in these verses, not Jesus acting as a mediator of the new covenant. There was no “great crowd” then, just Christians and non-Christians, and that Jesus was the only channel through which prayer could be offered to God by humans, not just the “anointed.”

How come I never noticed that before? It's as clear as the nose on my face. Paul's context is prayer, not the new covenant. That makes sense because he is also speaking about the benefit of Jesus' mediation for everybody, or "all sorts of men," "for all."

This idea that Jesus is the mediator for only the 144,000 never did make a lot of sense. Maybe the 144,000 are the only ones taken into the new covenant. But as you show, that is not even the focus of Paul's words about Jesus being the "one mediator between God and men." It is prayer.

Thanks, Blondie, for turning on the light!

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WT and the Masons - pt 19

by truth_about_the_truth in

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wt and the masons - pt 18

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OHappyDay

LOL, sounds familiar? Yeah, most of it is from the Bible, that Dread, Secret Masonic Book!

The author proves nothing except that Russell and Masons read the Bible and adopted similar Biblical terminology at times.

Most learned men of Russell's time knew something of Freemasonry. That did not make them Masons or even sympathetic to Masonry.

Why not make a case for God Himself being a Mason? Didn't He say, "I will guide thee with Mine eye?" (Psalm 32:8) That All-Seeing Eye! Pure Masonic stuff! And that verse about the "Sun of righteousness arising with healing in his wings"! Lawd ha' mussy, how much more Masonic can you get? See! See! It's all a conspiracy, a Masonic cabal. Ban the Bible before the New World Order assimilates everyone. Jabulon!

More straws.

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JWs and the Judaic influence

by greendawn in

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the jws feel like a judaic religion thinly disguised as christianity, they are the organisation of jehovah and not the church of christ, everything is jehovah centred while christ the head of the church is relegated to the margins, virtually all jws refuse to participate in the christian new covenent, their mindset is very works and not grace oriented, they really too heavily on the old testament and as if all that is not bad enough they claim to be the only true christian religion and viciously denigrate christian religions as apostate christendom and babylon.

i can see there a strong jewish influence and not surprisingly since russelll and rutherford, at least early in his presidency, were closely allied with the jews and supported by them.

any comments?

OHappyDay

Funny, last week some posters were accusing JWs of being antisemitic friends of Adolf....

Jesus was Jewish, Peter, Paul, and Mary (not the singing group) were Jewish, most of the first Christians were Jewish, Paul even boasted of being a Pharisee (in the present tense, no less), the essential early doctrines of Christianity were Jewish (leaning heavily toward Pharisee teachings). Christianity began as a Jewish sect.

So what's wrong about retaining a little Judaism?

Peter said that the Christians were called to be a people for God's name (Acts 15:14). Jesus came to do his Father's will and honored his Father by obedience unto death.

Like it or not, Christianity is bound up with Jehovah. Christ is the head of the Church, but God is the head of Christ. (1 Corinthians 11:3, Ephesians 5:23)

A Jehovah-less Christianity is not the Christianity of Jesus Christ.

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Curse of Cham (Ham).....Was Rutherford prejudiced?

by hubert in

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refering to richierich's post of february 25, '06..................................... .http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/108583/1.ashx.

i am trying to find more info on past racism in the watchtower org., especially about rutherford.. i have 4 books written by j.f.

rutherford, and i'm trying to find anything in them pertaining to racism, using keywords in the index, but so far, i haven't found anything.

OHappyDay

Rutherford??? Who cares about Rutherford? This is 2006 and if the best that can be found is some quotes from the 1930s, by a man long dead, after all the millions of words that have been printed in WT publications, what really does this prove about JWs?

A rope is a rope, but a straw is a straw. This is a straw.

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Quote: It is not necessary for Bible translators to know Hebrew and Greek.

by Elsewhere in

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i just found some very revealing information in the branch organization manual.. 1. they admit that bible translators do not need to know hebrew or greek.

2. they admit that the reason the authors' names are omitted is primarily to protect the organization and the authors from liability.. all bold letters are original... i added the yellow highlight and red text.. branch organization manual: page 25-5.

46. bible translation: when there are sufficient.

OHappyDay

Of course it's about translating the English NWT into other languages. In which case none of this is as unusual or as sinister as it's being made out to be, or even all that interesting.

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Watchtower and the Masons - part 1

by truth_about_the_truth in

i will be posting contents of the book "watchtower and the masons" by fritz springmeier.

this is an extremely rare book that is currently out of print.

the information contained here is extremely important in determining what this organization is all about.

OHappyDay

What a sad commentary on people who will use anything, any silly thing at all, any flimsy reed, to malign Jehovah's Witnesses!

There have been a pile of assertions and guilt-by-associations, but absolutely no facts at all presented to prove that Jehovah's Witnesses have had any connection with Freemasonry, apart from some commonly shared biblical terminology.

But when you really want to believe something bad about somebody anyway, it doesn't take much "proof" does it?

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Watchtower OKs a Cross for Sarah

by OHappyDay in

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look at the pendant around sarah's neck in the illustration on page 10 of the march 15th watchtower.. looks like a cross to me.

maybe a celtic cross in a circle of eternity style..

OHappyDay

While waiting for a scan or a copy of the mag, it resembles the Celtic pendant found at this site:

http://www.scotch-corner.co.uk/catalogue/index.cfm?&Items=3359&Product=35313

except that the four sides are more prominent making it look like a cross.

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Watchtower OKs a Cross for Sarah

by OHappyDay in

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look at the pendant around sarah's neck in the illustration on page 10 of the march 15th watchtower.. looks like a cross to me.

maybe a celtic cross in a circle of eternity style..

OHappyDay

I don't have a scanner. The "cross" has four sides and appears to be made of 4 looped circles, or one circle shaped into four loops. It's a real work of art.

There are similar designs on Celtic web pages, and one on e-Bay.

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Watchtower OKs a Cross for Sarah

by OHappyDay in

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look at the pendant around sarah's neck in the illustration on page 10 of the march 15th watchtower.. looks like a cross to me.

maybe a celtic cross in a circle of eternity style..

OHappyDay

Look at the pendant around Sarah's neck in the illustration on page 10 of the March 15th Watchtower.

Looks like a cross to me. Maybe a Celtic cross in a circle of eternity style.

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Leolaia and/or Narkissos, "pseudochristos" = "false anointed"?

by AuldSoul in

i want to make sure i am understanding this correctly.

in the places where jesus is recorded as saying "false christs" would come in his name, is it correct to state that pseudochristos/pseudochristoi literally means "false anointed ones"?.

it didn't make any sense for them to (1) claim to be christ and also (2) claim to know where christ is.. my studies led me to believe that there is no reason (besides tradition) for capitalizing the "c" in translating "christos" in these instances, particularly since the plural form is used.

OHappyDay

Christians as "anointed":

2 Corinthians 1:21 O de bebaiwn hmav sun umin eiv Criston kai crisav hmav qeov "It is God who establishes us with you in Christ, and has anointed us." (English Standard Version)