I found this more recent translation (2003) on the internet.
It also says, "the Word was a God."
http://depts.washington.edu/cartah/text_archive/coptic/coptjohn.shtml
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John 1:1 in Coptic Translation
by slimboyfat inapparently there has been quite a stir in jw apologetic circles recently about the translation of john 1:1 in the early sahidic version of john.
i don't know if this has been discussed here before - if someone could give a link to a previous thread they know about on the subject that would be great.
here is what i gather: .
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John 1:1 in Coptic Translation
by slimboyfat inapparently there has been quite a stir in jw apologetic circles recently about the translation of john 1:1 in the early sahidic version of john.
i don't know if this has been discussed here before - if someone could give a link to a previous thread they know about on the subject that would be great.
here is what i gather: .
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OHappyDay
Maybe someone can find a copy of the English translation of the coptic John 1:1 by the Rev. George William Horner in 1911. He was a coptic scholar and a church man.
I am told that he translated it to say "a God was the Word."
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Coptic Bible, gospel of John? (Leolaia)
by OHappyDay in.
this is directed to leolaia who seems to know these things, but any body else who knows can answer.. i hear there is a coptic (egyptian?
) bible that defends the new world translation in the gospel of john.. any truth to that?
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OHappyDay
Thanks for the link to the other forum. I see it is being discussed already.
I would not have thought to look for it in "Friends."
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Jesus no longer really "a god"?
by M.J. ini saw the latest wt magazine released this week.
i don't have it on me but on the cover it asks the question, "is there only one true god?".
skimming the story inside i noticed they quoted the verse in isaiah where it mentions there is only one god and there never was or will be a god alongside him.. "hmm," i wondered, "how will they reconcile this with john 1:1?".
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OHappyDay
A few corrections are in order. The article is not in the "Watchtower" but in the February 2006 "Awake" magazine on pages 28-30.
No doctrine has changed. While distinguishing Jesus from Jehovah, the article says that "Jesus is mighty in power and divine in nature," but that only Jehovah should be worshiped.
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Coptic Bible, gospel of John? (Leolaia)
by OHappyDay in.
this is directed to leolaia who seems to know these things, but any body else who knows can answer.. i hear there is a coptic (egyptian?
) bible that defends the new world translation in the gospel of john.. any truth to that?
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OHappyDay
This is directed to Leolaia who seems to know these things, but any body else who knows can answer.
I hear there is a coptic (Egyptian?) Bible that defends the New World translation in the gospel of John.
Any truth to that?
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JW guns down woman, self
by LDH in.
http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/361673p-307958c.html
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OHappyDay
Whatever happened to journalistic objectivity? Would we have seen these headlines:
Catholic guns down woman, self
Jew guns down woman, self
Baptist guns down woman, self
The purely religious identification is irrelevant when it is obvious that neither of the people involved were actually following the teachings of Jehovah's Witnesses, or even of the Bible.
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New member of the Governing Body from Australia
by jwfacts injeff jackson has just been appointed to the gb.
he is a family friend from tasmania, a little island at the bottom of australia.
he is about 50 and claimed to be annointed when i think he was in his late 30's, as a great shock to everyone.
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OHappyDay
There have to be these younger Anointeds around to shepherd the flock through the Great Tribulation. The old folks won't make it.
And if The End continues to delay, look for more young people to suddenly get "the spirit" and declare themselves to be among the Anointed.
It is unthinkable at the organization will ever be in the hands of the lowly, second-class, Other Sheep.
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Future of the Preaching Work?
by NeonMadman ini wrote the following comments in a response to joelbear's thread on the 4 steps to the new system.
but they were sort of off topic there, and i thought they might be of interest as a separate thread.
at one time, door to door work was highly effective.
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OHappyDay
The WT Society is now running on autopilot, with no charismatic leader at the helm like in the days of Russell, Franz, or Knorr. Even if changes would be beneficial, who has the power to carry them out?
Everything will continue on like it is until there is either a new leader or the rank-and-file revolt and no longer put up with the unnecessary burdens heaped upon them.
There is either myopia or a total disregard for the changed circumstances of life in industrialized societies. People just aren't home a lot now. And when they are, whether it is day, evening, or night, people don't want to be bothered by strangers. There are serious security problems people have to contend with, and they don't just let anyone into their homes or lives.
Jesus said the Kingdom message would be preached. He didn't say how to do it, or say it should be done just one way. When will the folks at headquarters wake up?
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OHappyDay
At our SAD both the Watchtower reviewer and the District Overseer ragged on young people who go or want to go to College. Notwithstanding that some college education is necessary to get even an average job these days, it was assumed that anyone who got higher education was materialistic, self-centered and glory seeking.
Many congregations now have two tiers of people. 1) Those who ignored everything the Society said about higher education and employment and who now enjoy the good things in life, and 2) Those who listened to the Society and ended up in menial jobs with low pay, and who are struggling along. Yet it is the well-to-do who get to go places (like unassigned territory) and do things for the congregation and who get a measure of prominence in congregation affairs (and appointments to "privileges" of service), because they can afford it.
The poorer ones, who slavishly followed the Society's directions, look on in envy at the periphery of things, barely able to contribute the "two small coins of very little value." (Mark 12:42)
Real faith, strong faith, should be able to withstand a little bit of education. The Society is doing a disservice to the young by constantly putting higher education down.
If someone is going out of the way to get in spiritual trouble, there are plenty of other opportunities available even if they never set foot inside a college or university.
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Early Christian Worship
by the_classicist ini think ~150 a.d. is early enough for debunking any wt position: .
"and this food is called among us eukaristia [the eucharist], of which no one is allowed to partake but the man who believes that the things which we teach are true, and who has been washed with the washing that is for the remission of sins, and unto regeneration, and who is so living as christ has enjoined.
for not as common bread and common drink do we receive these; but in like manner as jesus christ our saviour, having been made flesh by the word of god, had both flesh and blood for our salvation, so likewise have we been taught that the food which is blessed by the prayer of his word, and from which our blood and flesh by transmutation are nourished, is the flesh and blood of that jesus who was made flesh.
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OHappyDay
Gasp!!! What, no mention of field service, that most all-important delineator of true Christians??? Nothing about the preaching work, making disciples and hewing to the national average???
How could those people call themselves Christians? All they talk about is Jesus Christ!!!
Must be something wrong with them!!!!