Posts by GoneAwol

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"The organisation is imperfect, but it doesn't affect my relationship with Jehovah"

by Alive! in

i've noted active, devoted jw's state the above.. and, it's not a problem for me to remain trusting of god, i just don't trust religions or men.. recently, a member of this forum stated that he remains an active jw, in the family of god's people, wanting to encourage and do good - whilst recognising that the pastoral leaders (the gb) have shipwrecked the faith of many, being unsound scripturally etc, etc.. stop and think about this - the bible says to not follow after those who lie and hurt the faith of "little ones".. the pharisees were accused of traversing over lands and expending much energy to make a single convert - only for that convert to end up worse of than he started off with.. it's one thing to not believe this is the 'truth' and feeling the awful pressure of managing ones life, trying not to lose ones family.. it's quite another thing to declare oneself to be a christian believer of god's jw household, and somehow believe the god of love would use corrupt liars to parade as jesus' brothers in the urgency of last days.

really?

and, to then visibly promote faith in corrupt men, and try to bring converts into a place where the rulership is wrong.. some of us are dying from hurt here.......give me a break..

GoneAwol

Fantastic response Bro Jeremy!

Can I ask?

How did the new bro. get on with his questions prior to baptism with the elders? Did he feel the need to be untruthful? (A form of spiritual warfare against the org perhaps?)

Knowing what he knows about the org, why didnt he run a mile from the false teachings? Did he only get baptized because of his association with yourself? (perhaps a bit personal I realize)

Why get baptized in spirit and truth to only then follow direction from an org that is no better than, say, the Catholics? Hasnt he, in effect, back peddled on spirit and truth?

Great discussion, thank you !

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"The organisation is imperfect, but it doesn't affect my relationship with Jehovah"

by Alive! in

i've noted active, devoted jw's state the above.. and, it's not a problem for me to remain trusting of god, i just don't trust religions or men.. recently, a member of this forum stated that he remains an active jw, in the family of god's people, wanting to encourage and do good - whilst recognising that the pastoral leaders (the gb) have shipwrecked the faith of many, being unsound scripturally etc, etc.. stop and think about this - the bible says to not follow after those who lie and hurt the faith of "little ones".. the pharisees were accused of traversing over lands and expending much energy to make a single convert - only for that convert to end up worse of than he started off with.. it's one thing to not believe this is the 'truth' and feeling the awful pressure of managing ones life, trying not to lose ones family.. it's quite another thing to declare oneself to be a christian believer of god's jw household, and somehow believe the god of love would use corrupt liars to parade as jesus' brothers in the urgency of last days.

really?

and, to then visibly promote faith in corrupt men, and try to bring converts into a place where the rulership is wrong.. some of us are dying from hurt here.......give me a break..

GoneAwol

Thanks Bro Jeremy, I can appreciate someone sharing truths with others in an effort to help make lives better and more fulfilled.

You stated earlier: The control [the Governing Body] exerts over the brothers and sisters is reprehensible, and several of its key theological doctrines are false and have misled and continue to mislead millions.

If that is the case, how can you as a thinking person, invite others into a 'Family' as you call it, that is being misled and has misled millions?

If, in truth, you are really helping others to see truth, surely you would be showing prospective bro's and sis. the false doctrines of the organisation, not encouraging them to be part of a 'reprehensible' org?

Cheers.

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"The organisation is imperfect, but it doesn't affect my relationship with Jehovah"

by Alive! in

i've noted active, devoted jw's state the above.. and, it's not a problem for me to remain trusting of god, i just don't trust religions or men.. recently, a member of this forum stated that he remains an active jw, in the family of god's people, wanting to encourage and do good - whilst recognising that the pastoral leaders (the gb) have shipwrecked the faith of many, being unsound scripturally etc, etc.. stop and think about this - the bible says to not follow after those who lie and hurt the faith of "little ones".. the pharisees were accused of traversing over lands and expending much energy to make a single convert - only for that convert to end up worse of than he started off with.. it's one thing to not believe this is the 'truth' and feeling the awful pressure of managing ones life, trying not to lose ones family.. it's quite another thing to declare oneself to be a christian believer of god's jw household, and somehow believe the god of love would use corrupt liars to parade as jesus' brothers in the urgency of last days.

really?

and, to then visibly promote faith in corrupt men, and try to bring converts into a place where the rulership is wrong.. some of us are dying from hurt here.......give me a break..

GoneAwol

Again, nice post Bro Jeremy.

While I wait for your response to my other post, can I ask you why, although you direct people to serve God and Christ alone and not an organisation or man, you will allow them to be baptized into an organisation that has the following oaths at point of baptism?

The first question is:
On the basis of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, have you repented of your sins and dedicated yourself to Jehovah to do his will?

The second is:
Do you understand that your dedication and baptism identify you as one of Jehovah's Witnesses in association with God's spirit-directed organization? Having answered yes to these questions, candidates are in a right heart condition to undergo Christian baptism."

How do you explain that to Bible Studies? And, I might add, NOT come across as someone who has deceived and hoodwinked them into dedicating themselves to an organisation?

Enjoying your thoughts! GA

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What would you do?

by Esse quam videri in

here is the scenario.. 1 - a person has access to an item that only they see the value in but could have tremendous value to the right buyer.. 2 - the item belongs to another person.. 3 - if the item disappeared, the owner would never miss it.. 4 - if the potential value of the item was pointed out to the owner, they would never believe it.. 5 - the owner would never pursue sale of the item.. 6 - the value to the owner would be about 100 dollars.. my question:.

what would you do in a situation where you could possibly make a great deal of money from selling such an item, possibly millions of dollars?.

GoneAwol

Be honest! Its not your item. Dont let greed make a decision for you. But you knew that anyway

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"The organisation is imperfect, but it doesn't affect my relationship with Jehovah"

by Alive! in

i've noted active, devoted jw's state the above.. and, it's not a problem for me to remain trusting of god, i just don't trust religions or men.. recently, a member of this forum stated that he remains an active jw, in the family of god's people, wanting to encourage and do good - whilst recognising that the pastoral leaders (the gb) have shipwrecked the faith of many, being unsound scripturally etc, etc.. stop and think about this - the bible says to not follow after those who lie and hurt the faith of "little ones".. the pharisees were accused of traversing over lands and expending much energy to make a single convert - only for that convert to end up worse of than he started off with.. it's one thing to not believe this is the 'truth' and feeling the awful pressure of managing ones life, trying not to lose ones family.. it's quite another thing to declare oneself to be a christian believer of god's jw household, and somehow believe the god of love would use corrupt liars to parade as jesus' brothers in the urgency of last days.

really?

and, to then visibly promote faith in corrupt men, and try to bring converts into a place where the rulership is wrong.. some of us are dying from hurt here.......give me a break..

GoneAwol

Nice post Bro Jeremy. The point you make here: "As a dissident I work patiently from within, with my brothers and sisters."

I have a friend with whom I have regular discussions on this very subject. He actually wanted to, and became an elder to try and elicit change from within. He is young, only 44 and feels his youth and vigor against older, more tyrannical elders will modernize and perhaps even allow bro's and sis. to think more freely etc.

He quietly celebrates his childrens birthdays and feels everyone should partake of the emblems. Among other things I might add.

My question to you, as it was to him.

What do you hope to change as you work patiently from within?
Do you think realistically the GB will admit to errors past and seek change themselves?
If the 'life giving waters are poisoned, how much of it will you allow your own bro's and sis. to drink before you say 'ENOUGH!' Or will you watch them drink in everything the GB promote as truth, and still claim you are helping them as a loving brother?
Will you watch your own family drink the poison, knowing and feeling how you do? Looking forward to your thoughts.

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Cleaning the KH in the year 2015

by greenhornet in

i have not been to a "meeting" in over 20 years and have not "cleaned" one since the 1980s.

so back then they had wireless mikes and they have a fm radio as a receiver.

so we would put on a fm rock station loud as we vacuumed the floor.

GoneAwol

Play this at the hall while hoovering. Might send a message too! (that you want to break free! Not that you have tranny tendencies of course)https://youtu.be/kEKVLjXO2Fk

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Am I the only "witness here besides the admins?

by TheOnlyRealWittnessHere in

jw
friends

with all the negativity here i was wondering if i am the only one here that's a witness.

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the topic pretty much says everything..

GoneAwol

Come on A Watcher. I would love your opinion. Did god give the gb permission to sign their own personal names on "his" bible? (W 99 5/15)

Is giving gifts to public officials being no part of the world? Is this the right example to show the flock? Are they hypocrites?

Lets have an open discussion. Dont just post and run. Feel free to be yourself. ( Remember you have "free will")

cheers

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Am I the only "witness here besides the admins?

by TheOnlyRealWittnessHere in

jw
friends

with all the negativity here i was wondering if i am the only one here that's a witness.

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the topic pretty much says everything..

GoneAwol

A Watcher, its not very faithfull OR discreet to sign bibles ( when god supposedly is author) for goverment ( ie, the worldly rulers) officials. Whats your opinion? Cheers

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The floodgates are about to open in the UK.. Sunday Times article

by defender of truth in

jehovah church faces flood of sex abuse cases.

"a woman who was abused from the age of four by a senior officer of the jehovahs witnesses has lodged a 500,000 claim for compensation in a test case that could open the door to hundreds more suits involving members of the religious organisation in the uk.".

http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/uk_news/crime/article1525363.ece.

GoneAwol

There you go..

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Are people really happy at Bethel?

by The Searcher in

if they are this happy, why do they keep taking down this video?

:).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evulyocziz8&feature=youtu.be.

GoneAwol

I am so so pleased that this vid has been put on youtube. I showed it to my uber dub mother last night, and she was appalled that someone could do the moonwalk in gods house. She looked ready to cry.

She asked me to show her how to use youtube on her phone to show her still in friends.

I believe this has the potential to backfire spectacularly on the cult. What a foot shot!!