Apognophos

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  I'l never sing another song

  by naja in

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  udo jurgens, c omposer of this song died yesterday rip.

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  Apognophos

  Aha, I haven't heard of it, so the reference passed me by.
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  How do you overcome this JW excuse?

  by EdenOne in

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  2. beliefs

  during one of those meetings that took place before my jc, one of the elders, who was a good friend of mine back then and used to come up with a few outlandish personal views about some teachings, attempted to counter one of my arguments like this:.

  eden - "well, if the truth doesn't change, why is it that what we teach as 'truth' has changed over the years (several examples given)?

  how can we dogmatically claim at any given moment that we have 'the truth' if our teachings keep changing?".

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  Clearly I wasn't in a position to win that argument, so I didn't even reply to that. But it stayed in my memory as a monument to religious irrationality.

  Granted, that was not the time for you to give him some clever comeback, but I still say it's not an irrational statement. The God which that brother worships is a god who is allowed to mislead and confuse his followers in the name of some bigger picture that we are not privy to. That's not the God that you believe in. So what we have here is a difference of theological opinion.
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  crazy analogy question regarding Jesus' divinity [or lack of]

  by TTWSYF in

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  2. scandals

  i heard a preist pose this question and i'll admit, it made me think.. if your neighbor had a dog and a monkey and his dog bite you.

  would you accept an apology from the neighbors monkey?.

  just asking.

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  Apognophos

  Okay, I didn't realize that the neighbor was Jesus. So... the analogy is saying that Jesus is responsible for Adam's and Eve's disobedience, hence the need to sacrifice himself on Earth? I've never heard this suggested before.
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  I'l never sing another song

  by naja in

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  udo jurgens, c omposer of this song died yesterday rip.

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  Apognophos

  Which song?
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  Campaign to Israel

  by humanperson in

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  i have been wanting to introduce myself but i don't know where to begin.

  my husband and i are enjoying our third guilt-free weekend of our lives (both born-in, almost 30).

  he has been out mentally for the last year and a half but patiently waited for me to come around.

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  Apognophos

  I'd say the bigger danger is naive JWs getting lynched for tossing the ineffable Name around in the wrong neighborhoods.
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  Freedom of Relgion has been taken away.

  by Jeannette in

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  2. announcements

  when a person is disfellowshiped by a religion just because he or she doesn't believe it all is very serious.

  some disfellowshiped ones have even taken their own lives because they have been made to feel so bad.

  it's down in black and white that parents and friends are supposed to shun them, shunning is acting like someone is dead.

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  Yes, I don't know if it falls under a violation of freedom of religion, but once a religion is telling your own flesh and blood to shun you because you left or fell out of favor with them, I feel it's crossing some kind of line in the area of human rights.
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  Could the allowance of blood fractions be curtailing the growth of the religion?

  by Apognophos in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  so, imagine that you're just a regular joe who's not familiar with the witnesses and is looking for the answers to life, the universe, and everything.

  you hear a knock at your door.

  before long, you are studying with a jehovah's witness.

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  Apognophos

  Heh, could be. Of course, the first three points are taken for granted if the student already accepts the Bible as God's Word, which most do.
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  Emblem Takers Mentally Unstable?

  by Cold Steel in

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  2. bible

  onthewayout wrote: of course, for quite awhile (and probably still), congregations have been viewing any relatively young (maybe under 50 or even 60) partakers as mentally unstable and watchtower ignores such people anyway and says they must listen to the elders.

  is this correct?

  ever since the emblem-takers were given emeritus status as members of the faithful and discreet slave, have they been relegated to standard membership?

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  Most "real" Christians would seem odd to Witnesses if they went to our Hall and pretended to be part of the congregation. My theory is that many anointed are a tad closer to the traditional "Jesus saves" mentality of Christianity. When you think about it, saying that you're anointed is saying that Jesus is your savior, which the average JW is unable to claim.

  I may need to show this to my devout JW mom.

  She is still of the opinion that the GB is conducting all "Truth" from the rest of the Anointed via that very means.

  What, does she think that somehow their holy spirit and prayers flow through the GB like a kind of oil pipeline?
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  Governing Body at Bethel and their daily routine

  by Tenacious in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i never had the privilege to serve at bethel .. therefore, community help is greatly appreciated friends.. do the gb members have their own living quarters separate from the average jw?.

  does their "busy" schedule permit field service, if yes, how many hours a month?.

  how long are their weekly wednesday meetings?.

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  It's not a cheap shot, DATA-DOG, a nice suit costs more than $300... http://www.menswearhouse.com/mens-suits
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  Emblem Takers Mentally Unstable?

  by Cold Steel in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  onthewayout wrote: of course, for quite awhile (and probably still), congregations have been viewing any relatively young (maybe under 50 or even 60) partakers as mentally unstable and watchtower ignores such people anyway and says they must listen to the elders.

  is this correct?

  ever since the emblem-takers were given emeritus status as members of the faithful and discreet slave, have they been relegated to standard membership?

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  Apognophos

  This isn't necessarily answering Cold Steel's questions, but I think he's gotten some good answers to those already and I want to make a suggestion about something.

  Personally I think that one of the main causes of someone deciding they are anointed is not mental instability, but rather a rationalization stemming from the fact that they feel that they are closer to Bible truths than the average person. Perhaps, in reading the Bible closely, they have realized that some Watchtower teachings do not hold up, and rather than let themselves be troubled by this, they decide that they are simply glimpsing new light ahead of the org. Perhaps a teaching actually changes in the direction they anticipated. So they conclude that they must have extra holy spirit and that they are one of the anointed. In following this thought process, it's very much an intellectual thought process rather than an emotional one.

  In other cases, like TTSSUF's story of the old woman who was a former evangelical, they are Witnesses who are more emotionally tied to the concept of Jesus than the average Witness, and this causes them to feel that they must be chosen to rule with him in heaven. So the thought is actually a response to finding themselves being more properly "Christian" than the average Jehovah-centric, Jesus-ignoring Witness. Which is an emotional thought process, but not an unstable one, any more than the average Christian is "unstable".

  That being said, I'm sure there are others who simply had a hallucination or a strange dream and concluded that they were anointed.