Posts by Snoozy

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I don't understand life or the universe

by Decided in

jw
friends

i'm 75 years old and am confused about life and god.

all explainations seem made up by some religious person or some written book that doesn't make any sense to me.

why doesn't a god just let us know that he exist in some way that all people could understand.

Snoozy

Ken, I too have felt this way at times...I often think, is this all there is?...

Snoozy of the amost 70 class..

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WTF???

by headisspinning in

http://www.seanet.com/~raines/review.html.

the society at the time believed that some demons or fallen angels were honest and could be saved and return to god's organization.

[6] angels and women, they believed, was channeled or "dictated" to the author by one such fallen angel who was honest and told the truth about pre-flood conditions on earth.

Snoozy

According to Rutherford there was nothing wrong with that publication. Let's remember that Rutherford was directed by angels

Did you mean Russell?
He believed many things not taught today by the witnesses.

That Jesus died on a cross
That Armageddon would start in 1914

As far back as 1883 he even preached about climate change and how the earth would slowly go back to paradise Eden like conditions, iincluding the Melting of Greenland's Ice sheet , the Artic and Antartic Polar ice caps would slowly melt and there would be a a general warming of the earth.

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Should I contact the Society and tell them I want out?

by sinis in

as of late i have been thinking about this.

my sig other and i have successfully faded, and the last kh i attended (cards were moved to) was like 8+ years ago.

i really do not care either way, however i have been asking myself as of late if i should.

Snoozy

Sinus, I did it for the same reason..I wanted them to know that I no longer wanted to be associated with them. I no longer agreed with their teachings or the way they treated their members..

I wrote them a letter to disassociate myself. At the time it was what I needed. now I see it as why even bother? They have no power over me that I would have to tell them what I am doing..

I would just quit going and leave it at that, especially if I had relatives in the religion.

But if someone had told me that back then, I probably still would have wrote the letter..

I also thought in doing so I could regain my earlier baptism of being a Catholic (being taken off the JW books so to speak)...

Snoozy

ps..I edited this to add that I had incriminating evidence against the local congregation at the time and wrote the info in my letter. Showing one reason why I was leaving. I wanted to add that NO ONE ever called on me after that. They didn' t want to stir the pot so to speak..

A few years ago my JW MIL asked the brothers in her congegation if it was OK to associate with me and they supposedly sent away for a copy of my letter. Upon receiving it they told her I had NOT been disfellowshipped but to not talk about religion with me.

Years later I wrote and asked for a copy of my letter ( Since the brothers had gotten a copy and I had forgotten to make a copy at the time).
My request was denied. (They didin't want me to have the evidence)..they said it was now their personal posession. I have been told I could probably get a lawyer and he could get me a copy but I figured it wasn't worth my money or my time.

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Malawi Party Card, Scans and comment

by BluesBrother in

i am indebted to marvin shilmer for the info, on his excellent site.. link .http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com/2011/03/malawi-savage-betrayal-by-watchtower.html.

i was so pleased to see the actual cards that caused all the trouble, after wanting to see it for so long, that i post it today.. first, the background in case anybody does not know the terrible events that happened.

in the late 1960's to early 1970's jehovah's witnesses were cruelly persecuted and subjected to the worst possible beatings, rape torture and death.

Snoozy

Talk is cheap..do you really think all that did any good?

In response to Nazi efforts to destroy the group, Jehovah's Witnesses became an island of spiritual resistance to the Nazi demand for absolute German commitment to the state. The International Society of Jehovah's Witnesses fully and publicly supported the efforts of its brethren in Germany. At an international convention in Lucerne, Switzerland, in September 1936, Witness delegates from all over the world passed a resolution severely condemning the Nazi regime. The international organization also produced literature denouncing Nazi persecution of Jews, Communists, and Social Democrats, criticizing the remilitarization of Germany and the Nazification of its schools and universities, and attacking the Nazi assault on organized religion

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Malawi Party Card, Scans and comment

by BluesBrother in

i am indebted to marvin shilmer for the info, on his excellent site.. link .http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com/2011/03/malawi-savage-betrayal-by-watchtower.html.

i was so pleased to see the actual cards that caused all the trouble, after wanting to see it for so long, that i post it today.. first, the background in case anybody does not know the terrible events that happened.

in the late 1960's to early 1970's jehovah's witnesses were cruelly persecuted and subjected to the worst possible beatings, rape torture and death.

Snoozy

This is the ex JW view of what happened..according to the JW facts site:

this is the link to the article:

http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/malawi-mexico-oath-allegiance.php

The beginning of the article:

Malawi, Mexico, Oath of Allegiance

Religion becomes most culpable when its rules lead to the death of its followers. In ancient times this was as blatant as human sacrifice; in modern times it is subtler, such as forbidding medical treatment. Graphic representation of this in Watchtower history has been the devastating torture and murder of Jehovah’s Witnesses in Malawi during the 1970’s and 1980’s. Most disturbing is that the doctrine enforced in Malawi is misguided and was not applied consistently in different countries.

When reading Crisis of Conscience by Raymond Franz, chapter 6 titled “Double Standards” disturbed me more than any other. Here was explained how a Watchtower doctrinal principle that lead to the torture and death of 1000’s of Malawian Witnesses was excused for those in Mexico. Malawian Witnesses suffered unspeakable atrocities due to following the Watchtower’s illogical policy forbidding them to hold a political card in a one party state. During the same period, Witnesses in Mexico were permitted to bribe officials for a Cartilla card in order to escape military service.

This article outlines this blight on Watchtower history. It is one of the most distressing aspects of Watchtower leadership and has led many Witnesses to re-evaluate the wisdom of ascribing spirit direction to the Governing Body and following them without question.

Snoozy

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Malawi Party Card, Scans and comment

by BluesBrother in

i am indebted to marvin shilmer for the info, on his excellent site.. link .http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com/2011/03/malawi-savage-betrayal-by-watchtower.html.

i was so pleased to see the actual cards that caused all the trouble, after wanting to see it for so long, that i post it today.. first, the background in case anybody does not know the terrible events that happened.

in the late 1960's to early 1970's jehovah's witnesses were cruelly persecuted and subjected to the worst possible beatings, rape torture and death.

Snoozy

I found what I think is a very interesting and question raising article about the card in Mexico..put some questions and doubts in my mind about the statements of ex JW's on the subject. Any further info would be appreciated!

http://settingtherecordstraight.wordpress.com/category/ray-franzs-conscience-not-really-in-crisis

The opening statement:

The Truth About the Mexican Military and Jehovah’s Witnesses

1.0 INTRODUCTION

We all know the story that Ray Franz tells and how Don Cameron and friends merely echo the story without ever taking time to even research it for themselves. Whatever anyone says negative about Jehovah’s Witnesses is always accepted by these apostapposers without question. Facts? Research? No way. Lets take the story and run with it. Lets throw out any and everything we hear and see what sticks. Truth is of no importance, only discrediting JWs is important.

Of course, they have as usual done this with the Mexico military identification card and JWs. Franz says it, and apostates everywhere like Don Cameron repeats it in their books or on their websites or on discussion boards never bothering to research anything about it. Well a little research reveals the truth that they have omitted.

Proof of what I write here is taken from many sites including these:

Pull the link up to read more... Snoozy..

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Malawi Party Card, Scans and comment

by BluesBrother in

i am indebted to marvin shilmer for the info, on his excellent site.. link .http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com/2011/03/malawi-savage-betrayal-by-watchtower.html.

i was so pleased to see the actual cards that caused all the trouble, after wanting to see it for so long, that i post it today.. first, the background in case anybody does not know the terrible events that happened.

in the late 1960's to early 1970's jehovah's witnesses were cruelly persecuted and subjected to the worst possible beatings, rape torture and death.

Snoozy

Would love to see a comparison/copy of the Mexican political party card at that time also..

Snoozy..

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I ended up in the back room of the KH today

by Nobleheart in

jw
friends

our public talk and wt study is on saturdays.

i was informed by an elder that i shouldn't leave right away after the meeting.. immediately i had a sinking feeling in my stomach.

but not as bad as i would have felt about it months ago.

Snoozy

You'll probably speak up when you're ready..My first thought was 'Big Brother is watching you" but they just seem concerned for now...hopefully things won't turn ugly for you.

Research too is very important, you have to be sure in your heart/mind that they are false before you can speak out..

The Kingdom halls seems so different now then when I was going. We didn't have any back rooms, just a storage area and a main room , a entrance Hall where we also had the literature counter..(which any brother could be working) and two bathrooms. That was it. Now I hear some even have a basement and a crying room?

All they things they spoke against when I was going..

Then it was keep the congregations small and the buildings attractive and well maintained but simple. With windows.. Lots of them!

Hugs, Snoozy

ps..Did the Elder ask you nicely to Please stay after the meeting or tell you in a Parental way that "you shouldn't leave right after the meeting?"..

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Old Time Assemblies Question - Watchtower Study

by Mad Sweeney in

please refresh my memory.. in the past, did they have an actual watchtower study at the assembly with questions and answers?.

if so, do you know when that ended and they started doing the review as a 30 minute talk?.

what would the arrangement at the assembly in, say, 1966 have been for the watchtower study?.

Snoozy

I remember it too...they always had someone prepared in front to answer..

Snoozy

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The Love Canal Tragedy:

by Snoozy in

part 1:.

the love canal tragedy #endeditable end page name begin content area #begineditable "content" .

by eckardt c. beck.

Snoozy

BK...feel free to share... Your story may be better and more fun to read..

Snoozy..exposing the cover-ups