Posts by TonusOH

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

TonusOH

I agree that the low view totals must be driving him bonkers, especially as he wonders where the other 98,000 subscribers have gone. I think he's been trying to branch out, but that means having to build a viewership all over again. exJWs will not be very interested in the Mormons or Scientologists, and if he wants to rebrand as an atheist channel, that's also a completely different demographic.

He's almost back where he was when he began, only now he has the baggage of his own actions and attitude weighing him down. It looks like a long and very rough road ahead for him.

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'In Search of Christian Freedom'

by riblah in

i cross-posted this on reddit:.

i would love to have a hard copy of this book.

does anyone know about how to go about persuading the person who has the rights to print a batch?.

TonusOH

If someone is only interested in the contents, I think many (if not all) of those books are available online in PDF format. Some are even full page-by-page scans of the original, instead of just the text.

Edit to add: I am not referring to the books by Raymond Franz, which are protected by copyright. I would note that Crisis of Conscience is available on Amazon Kindle for $8. But In Search of Christian Freedom is not, sadly.

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Illinois Elders as mandatory reporters must undergo training

by Diogenesister in

illinois now requires all elders as mandatory reporters to undergo state approved training every three years to ensure they fully understand their roles as mandated reporters.

this will include a pre training assessment, 60 - 90 mins of self paced, interactive training with a final assessment to ensure reporters understand their responsibilities.

following the course, mandated reporters must make a declaration that they understand their status as a reporter and will fully comply with mandatory requirements.

TonusOH

There's a great opportunity for this to eventually hurt the WTS. At some point, an elder may report CSA to the proper authorities. And if the organization tries to punish him for it, they may be facing more than a potential civil suit from the former elder. It could possibly become a federal case. And that would be way more serious than any civil suit. I'd love to see WatchTower lawyers try some of their legal tricks against a DOJ investigation or court case.

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Annual Meeting 2022: Geoffrey Jackson: Why Jerusalem mattersem Matters

by raymond frantz in

https://youtu.be/pdtwglldsza.

TonusOH

Didn't the WTS paint itself as the 'New Israel' or something along those lines? The idea was that there would be a spiritual Israel that would be God's new nation and His new people. Regardless of what happens in the Mideast, they can claim that they're the focus of any prophecies and of God's favor because they're the modern-day Israel, as far as Jehovah is concerned.

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Do you believe in ultimate justice?

by Fisherman in

ultimate justice means that conduct is not inconsequential.

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TonusOH

Conduct is always consequential, but we may not agree that the consequences were fair or just.

And our ability to rationalize decisions and outcomes can make that difficult to determine sometimes. Imagine a pair of young people who have sex out of wedlock and produce a child. They might use the trope of "anytime I look at my child, I know my actions were good/worth it/etc." But to many religious denominations, they have committed a grave sin and are potentially hell-bound.

But, what if the child grows up to be a great champion of justice, and finds ways to make the world a better place... do those religious people still feel that the parents are condemned to eternal suffering for bringing that person into the world? Or do they get a pass to Heaven instead? Is either of those endings just? What would be the ultimate justice in that scenario?

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which Translation Now?

by enoughisenough in

for those of you who still respect the bible, which translation/s are you using now?

why?.

TonusOH

Fisherman: The NWT though is just amazing. No comparison.

I agree with the 'no comparison' part.

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Tony Morris, Demonic Humanity, Annual Meeting talk

by raymond frantz in

https://youtu.be/vktqyahg0tg.

there seems to be a difference of opinion between geoffrey jackson and tonny morris on how to deal with their feelings towards worldly people.geoffrey jackson made a point to say in his talk that jesus wept for the wicked in jerusalem but following that bloodthirsty tony morris in his talk wants the demon stirred wicked humanity gone..

TonusOH

They exert control through fear. Talking about Jesus and Jehovah doesn't cause fear, it gives hope. So they need to keep Satan and demons in the front of the minds of the rank and file, so that they stay scared.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

TonusOH

There isn't a fee involved in subscribing to a YouTube channel, and creators frequently will request that viewers subscribe. Subscribing is a button-click away and has no cost. Also, I bet a lot of people abandon their logins for any number of reasons or simply have so many subscribed channels that it's not easy to get their attention anymore unless your channel is massive.

So it's not unusual to see a channel with far more subscribers than video views. I figure that a lot of people don't support his YT channel anymore, but since there's no cost involved, they don't remember to unsubscribe.

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Who is GOD Favouring in this Time of the End ?

by smiddy3 in

jw
friends

jehovah`s witnesses , seventh day adventists , church of jesus christ of the latter day saints.. these 3 are probably the more influenthal in the last 200 or so years ago.. if membership is a sign of god`s blessing on who he favours then @ the year 2021.. jehovah`s witnesses membership 8.5 million.

church of jesus christ of latter day saint`s membership.16.8 million.

seventh day adventist`s membership.21 million.

TonusOH

It strains credulity to put forth the idea that the same God who wishes for all to be saved is only going to save a fraction of a fraction* of humanity when he finally sorts things out.

*Literally! Those three religions combined are around one-half of a percent of the current human population.

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Who is God's ONLY channel?

by BoogerMan in

australian royal commission solicitor: “do you [the governing body] see yourselves as god's spokespeople on earth?”.

geoffrey jackson - “ah, that i think would seem to be quite presumptuous to say that we are the only spokesperson that god is using.".

october 5th 2022 daily text: “we also need to trust in the only channel [the g.b.

TonusOH

I'm assuming that he answered that way because he wanted to avoid falling into a potential trap if he gave the honest answer. Which should be embarrassing for him and the GB. Don't they teach that JWs must be ready to give a truthful and faithful testimony, even in the face of persecution or at risk of their safety? When given a chance to do so, Jackson slapped his fellow GB members across the face by calling them presumptuous, lol.

The sadder thing is that the others are not offended by this. They know why he lied and they support it, even though they would threaten rank-and-file JWs with disfellowshipping if they were to act so cravenly as to deny the authority of the GB.