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  Watchtower lawyer fined for misleading the court

  by Diogenesister in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  watchtower lawyer david brumley has been fined for misleading the court during the discovery process of the montana case.

  the result was another 17 months of the courts time and the plaintiff having to produce evidence that wtpa did have a pivotal role in congregational business, which brumley had denied hoping that the courts would take his word for it.

  he will be personally responsible for reimbursing the costs accrued by the plaintiff, due to his misleading affidavit.. see mark o donnell's twitter statement here:https://twitter.com/mark_j_odonnell/status/1562205475374043136?t=emdh163jnfi8kb6zch-uga&s=19.

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  Listener: This is in the Nivember 2022 Watchtower

  That's an interesting paragraph. They point out that the Russian brothers support each other by showing up in court, but they make sure not to specifically encourage that behavior elsewhere, choosing instead of ask that they find "other practical ways" to support one another.

  My guess is that they don't want JWs showing up during these court proceedings, where they might learn things that the WTS prefers they only hear from the organization's mouth.
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  Remember THIS illustration from the Borg?

  by BoogerMan in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  bible teach chap.

  11 pp.

  110-111 par.

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  punkofnice: The term CULT springs to mind.

  That's what it is. Question everything, except what we tell you.

  The WTS stance, for a very long time, has been to give the impression that you can test what they say with the Scriptures to see if they are being truthful. But what they are specifically saying is that, if you test what they say with the Scriptures, you will see that they are being truthful. It's not a subtle difference! The latter is making clear that if you disagree with them, you are going against the will of Jehovah and are at risk of eternal death.

  And it is not a matter of whether they got it right or wrong, but whether you followed them. If you test them and find that they got it wrong and you got it right, Jehovah is upset at you for getting too far ahead of his 'light.'
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  Pursue Peace Assembly 2022 .. Joseph shares stories about his Bible days

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  pursue peace assembly 2022 shows a resurrected, newly shaven joseph, the son of jacob and rachel, having a nice dinner at a beautiful restaurant in the new system.

  the survivors of armageddon all want to know if joseph can share stories about his life.. ''can you tell us what egypt was like?

  what was pharaoh like?''.

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  The part they did not show is when, at some point during the meal, the group starts reminiscing about food in the old system and they talk about eating bacon and pork sausage and how much they miss it. Then they hear a retching sound and turn to find Joseph yakking up his salad in horror.
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  A new generation of anointed that will not pass away.

  by Fisherman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  obviously, the older “ anointed ” from 1914 died.

  and because they were anointed, they hopefully went to heaven.

  in the first century though, a newer generation did not replace the old.

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  TonusOH

  Amusing: on that wikiHow page, the side panel showed me this:

  
  
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  Local congregation donation and expense report. Very telling

  by nowwhat? in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in july the congregation received $2300.00.

  only 40.00 for the worldwide work and zero for ramapo project!!!.

  if this is typical no wonder the org.

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  If that's a typical month, then for a year it would be:

  Ramapo needs: $0

  Worldwide needs: $480

  Local needs: $27,120

  WTS is going to ransack that congregation, lol.
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  Naked in the New World

  by neat blue dog in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i know there was a painting of a woman being resurrected naked and someone coming to greet her holding clothes, but what about after perfection, after the thousand years?.

  the idea is we're supposed to achieve what adam lost by returning to human perfection, so wouldn't that include not wearing clothes, especially as the act of adam and eve hiding in the trees and sewing fig leaves signified shame, and imperfection passed on through the reproductive organs.

  has the wt ever addressed this?

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  truth_b_known: Only after eating from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Bad did Adam realize he was naked.

  That's one of the strangest parts of the Bible, IMO. Why, in that scenario, would nudity have been "bad"? I mean, talk about terrible writing: whoever came up with this idea was... trying to explain why people have to... wear clothing? And that was his best guess? "nudity is evil"?
  

  Even if we accept it as a metaphor of some kind, it's awfully clumsy. Adam and Eve gain the ability to discern right from wrong, and their first thought is "whoa, we're naked!" Really? You mean like every other living creature around you?
  
  
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  If not the WT/JW relgion where else are 'we' to go? Why not atheistic/scientific philosophical naturalism?

  by Disillusioned JW in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  sometimes jws wonder if the wt/jw is not the truth, 'then where else are we to go?

  ' i say 'why not atheistic/scientific philosophical naturalism and why not a secular philosophy which teaches a way of life?

  ' what do you folks say?.

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  I dunno about that. I've met some people that were preternaturally stupid. It might even have been possible to prove it scientifically.
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  Never thought I would see this in my family circle

  by Captain Schmideo2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  so, my 17 year old niece reveals to me that for the past few years, her father (my sister's husband) has been physically and verbally abusive to her.enough so that it finally came to a breaking point, and she reported it to the police.

  she told me that she had wished she had told me sooner, but she was trying to wait til she was 18 so that she could leave.i knew that she and her parents had been locking horns for the past couple of years, but i chalked it up to teen puberty and general growing pains.

  but on their last, most recent visit, i could tell that something was really eating at her.apparently, what set off this latest incident was that he discovered that she had been seeing/involved with a non-witness boy about her age, and got so violent with her that it left marks.ironically, she went and got help from her boyfriend's father, a paramedic, who documented the injuries and encouraged her to report it.so, yeah, he spent a night in jail.she is now staying at the parents of her boyfriend, while still trying to have some aspects of her old life (work, school, etc.

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  I don't want to be seen as the guy who "turned her away".

  I get the impression that, no matter what you do, you will be accused of helping her turn away. The family seems to want to protect the father and organization regardless of cost, including the truth. No matter how carefully you tread, they'll use you as an excuse. They'll use you to cover themselves and the organization and drag your name through the dirt.

  I think you should help your niece in any way possible, and don't worry about giving your sister and her family any ammunition. Save that young lady.
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  Can TiKToK spy on you?

  by Fisherman in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  several years ago i was having a conversation with a neighbor inside a store and he told me that he was in the park one day with a friend who was then struck by lightning and after a few moments after being struck they walked away from there and while they were walking away my neighbor told me that his friend got hit by lightning a second time ki&&ing him.

  after telling me this story lightning struck and we heard thunder.

  coincidence or act of god?

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  I have a mild anxiety attack whenever I hear the "ding" of a message, but that's because it's on someone else's phone and it's goddamned annoying. I have two mobile phones (one personal, one work) but I hardly use them at all. My personal phone gets used for my shopping list, and... not much else. Which is why I plan to get rid of it soon.

  I'm a technophile, but I learned enough about security over the years to be quite afraid of this stuff. Knowing doesn't save you, either. You can make a determined effort to keep your info private... until Experian gets hacked and gives up all the info that someone would need to wipe out everything you have (and everything you could've had).
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  Do the publications still use exclamation! points excessively?

  by BettyHumpter in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i dont know why the question popped into my head.

  i've been out since '90-'91 and haven't read any literature in years.

  was this a fred franz quirk or do they still write in that style?

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  I faded in the late 90s to early/mid-aughts. I would say that, as late as 2003-4 (the last time I would say I read any of the literature at all) they were still using exclamation points to emphasize how wonderful it is to get this provision from Jehovah God!

  More annoying than that was the way that, in the 90s, the speakers at conventions would end their speeches with loud and emphatic voices, rising to a crescendo that would end in long and loud applause from the audience. I think they got a bit addicted to it for a while. Even guys that I knew were pretty even-keeled gave in and started sounding like Pentecostal preachers as they closed their talks.