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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  original reddit post (removed).

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  ...a girlfriend cum travel companion...

  Now that is an unfortunate turn of a phrase, given the context...
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  What are your thoughts about Mormons?

  by Iamallcool in

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  any takers?

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  The story of the creation of the Mormon church is pretty interesting and entertaining. Joseph Smith seemed to have been as clever as he was insane. Not a good combination, but a lot of fun to read about.
  
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  Jehovah's Witnesses: remembering the weird and wacky!

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  do you remember some of the weird and wacky stuff emanating from the watchtower society?

  let's make a list from memory that we can use to inject a little humor into our discussions with jehovah's witnesses.

  - venus may be an enormous jurassic park.. - germs don't cause disease.. - no beards allowed.

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  I think a stupid thing is to not do jury duty.

  I agree. And the excuse about being on a possible death penalty case doesn't hold water- it's very easy to get out of a particular petit jury by explaining how your personal beliefs or conscience would affect your decision-making.

  This issue resonates for be because, for some reason, I get called to jury duty with annoying regularity. Never served on a petit jury, but I did do a month on a grand jury. Learned a lot, it was a good experience.
  
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  original reddit post (removed).

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  I wouldn't be surprised if he was underpaid, since as a college student it's not unusual to work as an intern or for a lower-than-market wage. He gets valuable experience while building an online resume of real-world work that can be checked and critiqued. With something like a YouTube channel, there is the added benefit that it can serve as a timeline, letting prospective employers see his progress over time.

  Until recently, he would also have been able to take advantage of the recommendation of a content creator who was doing important work and had made a name for himself, even if it was in a relatively small pond. Now that Evans has set fire to the pond (and burned his reputation to a crisp in the process), the recommendation won't be as useful, but at least the body of work is still there.
  
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  Elders hounding members to quit their jobs due to missing too many meetings

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

  1. watchtower
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  how many times did you see elders hounding congregation members to quit their jobs due to missing meetings?.

  my brother worked at a grocery store at 16 years old.

  he would miss tuesday's ministry school due to his work schedule.

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  Convincing members to quit good jobs that conflicted with the meeting schedules creates a version of the sunk-cost fallacy. Having given up something of value, it will be much more difficult to leave the JWs if they happen to have doubts or issues with the organization. The fear of having given up something and end up with nothing can cause us to mentally imprison ourselves.

  It's no accident that the weekly/monthly schedule of a JW is kept busy with meetings or field work. Plenty of time to keep an eye on people, and plenty of ways to make sure they are conforming.
  
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  Jehovah's Witnesses: remembering the weird and wacky!

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  do you remember some of the weird and wacky stuff emanating from the watchtower society?

  let's make a list from memory that we can use to inject a little humor into our discussions with jehovah's witnesses.

  - venus may be an enormous jurassic park.. - germs don't cause disease.. - no beards allowed.

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  Didn't they once print that organ transplants were the equivalent of cannibalism?
  
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  UPDATE: Wife Pretty Much Knows That I Don't Believe

  by JW_Rogue in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  we had a nice long talk and i brought up some things that make me think that this isn't the "truth" and she somewhat agreed with me.

  i stuck with things i personally experienced or had knowledge of plus all the changes in recent years.

  she agreed on a lot of the points but still believes in god and the bible.

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  My family is ignoring me except for when they need something or to post passive aggressive FB messages.

  This is the damage that the doctrine of shunning does. It destroys families and relationships. It's evil.

  Best of luck with enjoying the freedom that comes from getting away from hyper-controlling nannies on a power trip. It takes time and you'll have some downs to go with the ups. But it's worth it in the long run.
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  Resistace to going back to meetings

  by truthseeker in

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  lot going on.

  i had a covid divorce last year over zoom.

  not pretty but i got a good deal.. anyway,.

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  My friend who is still active said there is unconscious resistance towards going back to meetings.

  "I'd rather stay home than go to church" is not a good sign for a relatively small group like the JWs. I'm sure that there is also quite a bit of "I'd rather stand next to these pamphlets than ever knock on a door again" attitude out there.

  They need to keep the membership active and donating, because they have too many expenses to recover from a significant decrease in followers.
  
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  original reddit post (removed).

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  Me too.

  I'd rather treat any pro-lloyd posts seriously and with tact. If they post here in the hopes that they get attacked, so they can claim that it's just a mob out to get him, they'll be derailed if the response is to ask direct and uncomfortable questions instead. Then it will start to look as if his closest followers are just trying to disrupt the thread instead of trying to get at the truth of the matter.
  
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  The thing is, *HE* isn't capable of doing that work. He's keeping all the earnings generated by the work of multiple other non-paid volunteers.

  Yeah, he sounds like a grifter. I think it would help for anyone who was working for him for free (or for low wages) to speak up about it. He can keep pretending that all of the negative attention is due to a "green screen controversy" or people making accusations that he never admitted to. There's already enough stuff --that he confirmed as true-- to make it clear he's not a nice or good person. Some of his supporters will brush off the evidence that he's a world-class jerk, but it's clear that a lot of people aren't comfortable financially supporting him, even if the worst accusations aren't true.

  'I'm not a killer or anything, and I do super important work! So I humiliated my wife and set an atrocious example for my kids? Who cares! I use people for my own selfish ends? So what! I'm a big shot activist! I make videos! I matter! I matterrrrrrrrrrr...'