Posts by TonusOH

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Jesus is Michael the Archangel

by Fisherman in

only jesus has the power and authority to defeat satan and kick him out of heaven:.

“now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our god and the authority of his christ, because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down, who accuses them day and night before our god.”.

TonusOH

It is not outright defined in the Bible.

This is a recurring issue with the Bible, which has led to countless denominations that differ on points both major and minor. This has led, over the centuries, to occasional violence and brutality as people who seek to serve the same god nonetheless attack and brutalize one another. You'd think that a being as capable and immensely intelligent as Yahweh would have foreseen this and made the book much clear and direct, so as to avoid having so many dedicated people massacring one another, when they otherwise would have embraced in brotherhood.

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A JW prophecy VISIBLY failing!

by BoogerMan in

w85 7/1 p. 21 par.

16 - an increasing “great crowd...out of all nations” are flocking to the org jehovah’s worship.

the brooklyn pharisees assured the sheeple for decades that isaiah 2:2, micah 4:1-3, & haggai 2:7 were prophetically.

TonusOH

I'm glad they have grown so fast! That means that only about 99.999% of humanity will die at Armageddon.

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New Religion

by crios in

jw
friends

i need a new religion.

it can't be trinidadian and it must be a christian church.

it's been a while since i've been to the hall (and i'm not interested in returning either) and i need a new religion.

TonusOH

I think it depends on how you are approaching it:

1. You find religion useful or comforting, and just want the companionship and ritual without the heavy-handed control of a group like the Watchtower Society. In that case, perhaps a Unitarian church is what you seek. Non-trinitarian, and not nearly as strict as most other Christian churches.

2. You have a firm belief in the existence of the Christian God: pray to Him. If He is really there and you really want to find him, He will guide you where you need/want to go.

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Prediction of how Watchtower going to be in 5 Years.

by Foolednomore in

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friends

i can see it that watchtower will become an online/tv based group with just con-vention hall$.. field service would be letter writing and phone preaching, door to door is done.. watchtower will have pay to view programs and still ask for donations after all that.. zoom meetings are here to stay.

kingdumb halls will be sold off except for con-vention venues, or need for new ones$.. df'ing will continue.

the craziness will continue.

TonusOH

I don't see a viable path forward for the WTS, because the way it operates has painted it into a corner.

They depend on the desperation of people who believe that the end is near, so many forms of long-term financial planning have been discouraged. They have frequently prided themselves on not forcing people to donate, so any type of subscription or transaction-based gates will turn off many of the die-hard members. They spent so long encouraging members to reject wealth and build spiritual treasures, that they can't turn around now and push them to find better jobs/careers. They constantly point to signs that the end is very close, and that just adds to the disillusionment of members, as nothing ever happens and momentous occasions fade into distant memory.

A bunch of old men who have no better option are likely to simply hold out as long as they can, figuring that it will be the next iteration of the GB that will need to deal with the fallout. Which means that they will hold the course and try to keep the house of cards from falling over too quickly. I don't know if it will take five years or fifty, but the crash will probably be spectacular.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

TonusOH

In fact, IS there even an exjw community?

It depends on how you define the term.

We do tend to use the term "community" to describe a group of people with a common interest or trait. I'm an atheist, so I belong to the "atheist community." I'm an exJW, so I belong to the "exJW community." If I take up guitar playing, I suppose I'll become part of the "guitar-playing community," which is necessarily a subset of the "music community."

But I think of a community as something you help to form or join and become an active part of. I guess you could say I am a part of the community that is this message board, since I joined it and take part in discussions here. But I'm not active in any other part of the "exJW community." So am I a part of it? Or am I just an exJW? I think it's the latter. Under this definition, there is no such thing as an overarching exJW community. Just exJWs, some of who form small communities.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

TonusOH

Well there you go, Lloyd is bringing up pedophilia when nobody is talking about it. Why would he randomly do that?

It isn't random. It is his attempt to re-frame the controversy he is mired in. He wants to ignore the legit criticism and pretend that the only issue is that people are accusing him of CSA and that the accusations are false. He can then frame it as a particularly nasty bullying campaign.

The problem is that he is the person who told the world that he was paying for whores because his wife just isn't enough to keep his uncontrollable penis satisfied. He is the one who keeps awkwardly insisting that everything he did was with consenting adults who are all over 20 years old, which makes him sound like a creep. He's the one who spent years treating people like trash and acting like an entitled jerk, which is why so many people are openly enjoying his downfall.

And he's the one who continues to shit on fence-sitters who are questioning whether or not he deserves their support. On the bright side, at least he is making their decision a lot easier to reach.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

TonusOH

Morality is fluid

I don't even think that's possible, given the context of how morality is developed.

But besides that, 'I don't care what he does, as long as it's not illegal' ignores one fact: what he did was illegal. And some of these comments appear to be from people who think he's single and unattached. Or maybe they don't care that he cheated on his wife... which is the sort of thing you might believe, if you claim that morality is fluid.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

TonusOH

Evans: ...I'm really struggling to understand your logic in how apologies work and should be dispensed.

Yeah, that's been pretty obvious from the beginning, Lloyd.

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Bethelite viewers: Ever thought of this?

by BoogerMan in

in the nwt, revelation 5:10 is worded thus: “and you made them to be a kingdom and priests to our god, and they are to rule as kings over the earth.”.

however, in the original greek, (kingdom interlinear translation) it is more accurately translated as, “and you made them to the god of us kingdom and priests, and they are reigning upon the earth.” (several scriptures validate the location as being earth).

the wording of 1 peter 2:9, 10 in the nwt confirms the accuracy of the k.i.t.

TonusOH

I always found it interesting that they were willing to publish the interlinear version, considering that it would point out a lot of places where their interpretation seemed at odds with the original text. It is a testament to how firmly they control the flock- they really never worried that people would make a big deal out of it, so they could confidently bully or DF the small number who might try.

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Oct 8 1966 Awake! PDF-- pushes 1975 date

by cabasilas in

details about how to download the october 8, 1966 awake!

magazine pdf will appear at the end of this post.

background.

TonusOH

From the most reliable investigations of Bible chronology

Just a reminder: someone wrote that with a straight face.