Well when someone would tell me that so and so had been DF they would say, "I wonder why or what they did" and I would always say..."well they got DF cause they were unrepentant" because there are an endless amount who do things "wrong" and then feel bad and confess to the elders their sin, and providing they dont repeat it, arent DF.
signgirl
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Ozzie's Weekend Poll #9
by ozziepost inyes, it's time to put the sunday papers down and get in some serious polling.
we've gotta be quick, because we don't want to miss any of the world cup final!
so, here's this week's topic (it's a long one!!
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Disfellowshipment
by larc inon the subject of disfellowshipping, there is something i don't understand.
many here have told their stories as to what happened to them.
i have to ask this question.
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Has anyone ever wondered why witnesses, who are supposed to be following Christs example, are encouraged to make a dedication to serve God and get baptised so young? After all Jesus was 30 or so wasnt he?? I know myself being in my 30's after having been baptised at 18 and married at 21 that you think a whole lot differently as you get older, if we all didnt get baptised so young, there wouldnt be so many disfellowshipped, and we all wouldnt have to be suffering the consequences of it.
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I Just Can't Do It!
by Sentinel ini was rather surprised to see this subject in the forum, and so it peeked my curiousity.. when i was floundering in the borg, i really slowed down to a snails pace as far as reading any of the wt literature.. when i decided to walk away, (at the time with guilt and self doubt), i got rid of all the literature.
i had not renewed my wt subscribtion, and was not getting any other literature in the mail.
so, there was nothing coming in.
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My dad was visiting me from Holland recently, he is full on, 76 years old , felt so proud of himself on how many awake magazines he had "placed" on the plane over, I asked him "where did you place them dad? In the seat pocket in front of you? I think he is learning not to talk Jdub talk in front of me, as I dont hold back anymore to him and while he was here he left a family book in my bookshelf, with a little message in it for me and my fiance, it said "you may think you dont need this now, but one day you will". They get off so much on their literature, its very sad really, why cant they just get by with the bible. After he had left, I had a moment of anger from something that had happened at a recent JW funeral, I went home and threw the books he'd put in my shelf, along with my insight on the scriptures and a couple of other publications i had "faithfully" hung on to, turfed them in the bin, except for a bible I have had for years. At that moment I had finally told myself that I would never set foot into a Kingdom Hall ever again. Anyway at the airport seeing him off I told him I loved him and he said "do YOU?" I said of course I do, but just stop preaching to me. That was the last thing I said.
take care all
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What is Faith?
by Mackin inwhen i was a 'dub, i beleived that faith was the hebrews 11 thing, but since i have put aside that way of thinking and no longer believe god or believe the bible to be anything more than a collection of human history and philosophy, i tend to think in terms of faith being no more than the dictionary definition: .
1 a : allegiance to duty or a person : loyalty b (1) : fidelity to one's promises (2) : sincerity of intentions.
2 a (1) : belief and trust in and loyalty to god (2) : belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion b (1) : firm belief in something for which there is no proof (2) : complete trust.
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Apparently George Michael has Faith, he said it all.....you gotta have faith, faith, faith.
Hi there Mackin, I havent been here for a while but Beck said you'd been putting a bit into this site. You sure got people thinking. Even me, I dont know what I believe anymore. I know one thing is for sure, I dont have faith in the JW org like I used to. They are like the blind leading the blind....hey its a form of blind faith!!
I better go and get filled with some more spirit (red).
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Looking for fellow Aussies
by signgirl inhullo people, well its my first time here so, i wanted to say hi and if any of you guys who pop in here happen to be from australia or even new zealand, please contact me, well if you want, because i know there are heaps of us around who have had the big df and i know a few in the brisbane area, so if you by chance find this note, yes its me and maybe we could get together.
see ya all.
soldier on :)
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Greetings fellow kiwi chick, hug comin right back at ya. >>>>>>>>heres your 5 back.(i'm uncool too i guess)
Yes I must admit I slip up on the "fridge" word and "it".
well I look forward to the beginning of a new freindship. Hey how do you get the cute faces in the notes you send????
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Any kiwi bethren left the fold??
by Beck_Melbourne injust wondering if there are any other kiwis out there that i may have known over the years...i grew up in the rotorua north congregation...which eventually became the kawaha cong, however i knew most of the younger ones in the district.. anyone from the following congregations, please drop me an email:.
murupara.
kawaha.
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hi there hippikon, you must be that guy that resembles adolf hitler, sunuvabitch. So tell me where are you from????
Hi there Beck, dont worry i can understand your accent "Heey whuts thet ova theiya?" If anyone wishes me to translate, no probs bro, pretty choice man.
adios dudes and dudesses
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Kinky details to JW boys death
by Kep inthis boys disappearance was big news in nz.. searches were done a number of times in the area.. finally his body was found.. this article has just appeared with some rather unusual details surrounding his disappearance.. http://www.stuff.co.nz/inl/index/0,1008,1159345a11,ff.html.
you might have to key in the full address to open the article, but i've pasted it as well.. teen went missing after prank .
07 april 2002 .
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Just emailed this story to a friend of mine, who comes from Christchurch, she has been dissasociated for 3 years happens to know Rami here is what she sent me.....................................
thanks for the email - rami whose son went missing was the elder who got ron removed as an elder before he died for sexually abusing me and 18 others in the congregation who had brought accusations against him. this was 18 months ago. rami and his family have moved to the area where elons body was found as the people who live in the tiny town spent hours and hours searching for his body and showing them love. There is no congregation there. Rami's life story was in a Watchtower as he and his wife converted from Judaism to JW and he had been an israeli soldier - special forces. He was an elder and special pioneer and his wife a regular pioneer before this happenned and they had home schooled their kids and the kids spoke 4 languages and were very intelligent. I can believe rami is absolutely devastated. I read the news reports as dad gave them to me. Bro Mehrtens sat on my meeting with ron initially 9 years ago and said there was nothing that could be done as no witnesses to the events i reported - there had been no other accusations at that stage. This was the first time rami had let his sons go on something that he did not go too. Anyway - hope this fills you in a bit.
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My Story
by Kep inmy mother and grandmother are dubs, so it was a part of my life from the start.
both my dad and grandfather weren't, so it was what they call a divided household.. that sucked coz, after the meeting we were hurried off home to please the unbelieving mate.. so i never got to have real friends at the meetings and never had any activities outside of school.. as i got older i began to fit in with the school mates but felt restrained as we always had meetings to go to.. to cut a long story short, i got baptised when i was 18, had trouble keeping on top of meetings and witnessing etc.... i went weak, then inactive, found myself a girlfriend, non-witness, talked her thru the issues and problems i was going thru and so she decided to study.. we got married, she was baptised and things were going good.. as they were always pushing at assemblies to pioneer we felt we had to do that.. so as our circumstances allowed, she began pioneering.. you know, i look back and can say there was so much pressure put on couples who didn't have a family to seek first the kingdom.. as i had a checkered past according to some in the congo, it was a battle to attain privilidges.
but i worked at it, i would auxillary pioneer each year and use my vacation time to do it, brown nose the co each time he visited, and bend over backwards to do anything the elders wanted done.. and as time passed i became a ministerial servant.. then in order for me to become an elder i had to really work my ass off.. so i did, i sorted things out so i could also become a regular pioneer.. after 18 months of doing that plus continually working hard for the org i was appointed elder.. my family was stoked.. i had a sister whose husband had also been appointed elder, my other sister was a regular pioneer and my brother was living with me and doing as much as he could.
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Hi Kep, just read your story, thank you for sharing that with us. I wish we could make these people see what damage they do to peoples lives, I have been DF for 2 years now, yes..... you guessed it... I AM A WICKED ONE, I should have been stoned to death for my actions....anyway I'm over it now I think....not going back to such small mindedness......anyway... I was wondering, are you from NZ and where? I used to live in Wellington, wondering if we know the same people. See ya Mich
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Looking for fellow Aussies
by signgirl inhullo people, well its my first time here so, i wanted to say hi and if any of you guys who pop in here happen to be from australia or even new zealand, please contact me, well if you want, because i know there are heaps of us around who have had the big df and i know a few in the brisbane area, so if you by chance find this note, yes its me and maybe we could get together.
see ya all.
soldier on :)
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Hi Dutchie, nice to meet you... well I think the others cleared up your question on Australia and NZ.....the accents are different too. I've lived in Australia long enough now to talk like one, though the odd kiwi lingo may slip out on occassion....as well as the occassional swear word...ta ta
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for those who "grew up in the borg"
by zev inat this late, middle stage of my life, i've started wondering, now that i know what i know, about the things in my life that i "lived" with.
having been raised all my life in the "borg" i have known nothing else.
when questions began forming years ago, it started me thinking.
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The vision of my father, very quick with the rod... I was visiting his congregation with my 2 young children about 7 years ago, they would have been 4 and 2 and my daughter was drawing with a pencil, and making a noise, you know how pencil sounds when it its colouring on paper. Well obviously it was too much for him to handle, before I knew it he slapped my daughter on the arm and wrenched the pencil out of her hand. He had the most evil angry look on his face.. oh how Christ Like... how loving... She turned to look at me holding back the tears, and I just took both her and her little brother into the toilets and bawled my eyes out. His problem like many others is that they want to impress their "friends" by how well behaved their family is, and dont like to be embarrassed or be a bad example.. Sit up straight like bloody maniquins and dont move a muscle. "its a distraction". Sadly my father is still a very unhappy man, finally realising that his days are numbered as he gets closer to his 76th birthday, finally he is actually speaking of maybe dying. Maybe he quietly feels very dissappointed and possibly that he's been lied to for too long, but too proud to admit it.
I'm so over ever going back. I've been out 2 years and finally I feel like life is moving on.
see ya all
signchick