so i thought my purpose was to serve jehovah and get baptised.
where do i go now to get baptised?
is baptism even a requirement for serving god or was that just for the disciples and people of that time.
Never felt the HS, but I do still pray every day. I am not sure about praying to Jesus just yet but I do pray.
Not everyone on this site is atheist or agnostic, some are like me...just not looking for organized religion, and certainly not looking for the JW version of the 'truth'.
unsures's way seems like a good way
"That is the way I pray. I open up my heart, try to humble myself, and wait."
just looking for some advice.
i know there has been a lot of discussion around the book 'crisis of conscience' and copyright infringement on this forum.
hence the reason for my question.. in 2004, i couldn't believe my luck in finding this book in the city library.
I purchased one in 2012. Didn't realize there was an issue buying one now. The .org handing that printing now too?
just a simple " we are sorry " .
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Yup. WT March 198 - where they blamed everyone else for believing what they were told. Shame on you followers, for believing what we said!
My parents never saved for retirement...."we just never thought we would still be here!"
Shame on you GB!!!!!!
i have been out for nearly 40 years now - baptized at 14 (although not to the org), but faded away.
but i am wondering about this:.
aside from the obvious power they wield, what's is in it for the gb?
steve2
-By his account, it was not a question of his "waking up" all of a sudden but more of a gradual disturbing dawning of awareness that the men he shared the top table with were above all else wedded to preserving the organization. They were not particularly prone to having their consciences pricked by whether or not a Scriptural basis underlay their edicts.
Well said!
i have been out for nearly 40 years now - baptized at 14 (although not to the org), but faded away.
but i am wondering about this:.
aside from the obvious power they wield, what's is in it for the gb?
Thank you all for your responses. I personally don't think they are deluded in so much as they know full well that they are changing a doctrine, change a word here or there = change the meaning, blame the RF if you believed what they told you (circa 1975), misinterpret to keep those believers in line, change the wording in the Bible to suit your teachings etc. If you read Franz's 'Crisis of Conscience', he states that most of the decisions were made without prayer; aka no discussion with God; so really, they know darn well what they are doing.
Again thanks everyone - oh and I really enjoy this site, so thank you to all who participate.
i have been out for nearly 40 years now - baptized at 14 (although not to the org), but faded away.
but i am wondering about this:.
aside from the obvious power they wield, what's is in it for the gb?
I have been out for nearly 40 years now - baptized at 14 (although not to the org), but faded away. But I am wondering about this:
Aside from the obvious power they wield, what's is in it for the GB? Are they getting rich? Are they drawing salaries?
“winning the battle for your mind.” that is the title of an article in the latest watchtower magazine, of july 2017, pages 27-30. wow, how ironic!
here is the direct link:.
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2017488.
Wow just.....wow!
The degree of audacity overwhelms the mind. How true too is the fact that most JW's won't see that the GB is telling them they are being mislead - by them, but the RF cannot see what is right in front of them.
"Many of us are being influenced and manipulated – far more than we realize" - by the GB
"Keep in mind that Satan does not want you to think clearly or reason things out well" - read only WT publications
On the other side of the mouth:
"Be determined to stick to Jehovah’s organization and loyally support the leadership he provides"
Sparrowdown - agree wholeheartedly that they know exactly what they are doing!
londo111 » each congregation has a “talk coordinator”.
talk coordinators will coordinate with other talk coordinators in order to find speakers to give the public talk on sunday.
typically, they come from the general area: the circuit or a nearby circuit.
Curious what is the Societies stand today on disassociations?
"The Watchtower, September 15, 1981, page 23, "One who has been a true Christian might renounce the way of the truth, stating that he no longer considers himself to be one of Jehovah’s Witnesses or wants to be known as one. When this rare event occurs, the person is renouncing his standing as a Christian, deliberately disassociating himself from the congregation ... Persons who make themselves 'not of our sort' by deliberately rejecting the faith and beliefs of Jehovah’s Witnesses should appropriately be viewed and treated as are those who have been disfellowshiped for wrongdoing."
a thought occurred to me that simply because something is old does not make it valuable or worthy of sacred reverence.. the bible is held up as sacred just because it is "old" and apparently preserved.. but, that does not make sense.
if in thousands of years someone finds a notebook of my scribbles or sketches that i threw away, that doesn't elevate them to "valuable status" simply because they survived.
they were thrown away because they were worthless.. or if an archaeologist finds an ancient broken bit of pottery that was used for garbage disposal, it doesn't change its status from what it once was - a garbage bin.. i guess what i am trying to ask is, why is it that we as humans give value to writings just because they are old?.
Yes. Take me for example.......
ones who are lovers of jehovah .
dont say rip .
rip is also pagan in origin.
lamallcool
"If the dead know nothing at all" and their "thoughts perish" on the very day they die . . . then why is it that people continue to talk to them......because we miss them. At least that is why I continue to talk to my dead mother.
