Anna marina, jn addition, many elders would fit with glee into the roles of the imans, singing: Listen obey and be blessed, islam meaning submission., being able to mete out the death penalty to dissenters. With that many heads rolling, the ranks of those ruling with Christ for a thousand years (Rev 20:3) would quickly swell. wt writers are just too chicken to put their neck on the line, willing to sacrifice the rank and file though, as Earnest maintained.
Posts by waton
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53Watchtower vs Islam: Why the deafening silence?
by raymond frantz inwhy has the watchtower failed spectacularly to evangelize to the muslims?
considering the recent influx of muslim people in european countries you would think that some attempt from the religion that touts the are preaching the good news of the kingdom in all the inhabited earth would have been made.instead the only meaningful attempt dates back to 1953 ,almost 70 years ago!!!!
book " man's search for god.what do you think?
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Do you pray?
by Fisherman ini’ve always had a personal relationship with god that is not affected by any issues or controversies i have with anybody..
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waton
The wt/GB argument, that mediation between the workers and God comes only through them, reminds me of the assertion I heard made to an inventor, producer: that his product, like a harvest, has no value until it is exposed to the market place by merchants.
wt and the like are merchants of a questionable product, because they clearly have no trademark, patent endorsement from the maker. have no nutritional value. ( keinen Nährwert).
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Do you pray?
by Fisherman ini’ve always had a personal relationship with god that is not affected by any issues or controversies i have with anybody..
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waton
Is God your Father or do you hope one day that He becomes your Father? Vdh7.
If we have to accept that the universe, was created, even if it looks that it made itself (all things do), then
with the creator, that fathered the cosmos, we are his latest offspring here on this planet.
No wt mediation needed. Surely, As always, a thank you note is appreciated.
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The problem of questioning or the lack of politeness
by joao ina forum is a place where people should be able to talk to each other, to question, to have meaningful interactions with others in a polite and educated way, to contribute for the growth of one another.
it seems that, here, there are some people who think that the others know nothing.
they have all the facts, all the truth and have the disrespectful attitude of ignoring concrete and respectful questions.
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waton
joao, Fischerman does not answer specific questions, because he is not able to, without being defeated in his wt defence. he never answers direct challenges. This impolite attitude*** is a tacit admission on his part that the position he takes is indefensible, untenable.
We need people like him on this forum to be able to show to all, how rickety the wt's doctrinal house of cards really is.
Stay around, drive the Fishermen of this world into silence. do not do a "cofty".
*** at least the original Fisherman , Peter, had the guts to admit, in writing, that others, outside the "then GB" had better, more profound, more advanced ideas.
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Do you pray?
by Fisherman ini’ve always had a personal relationship with god that is not affected by any issues or controversies i have with anybody..
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waton
Our fellowship is with the Father and the Son. Christians don't need to address God as Jehovah
Vdh 7. true. The record shows that Jesus never addressed the creator, father of it all with The "name", "Eli" perhaps as last words spoken.
Expressing with family thankfulness for all we have in this creation, and sticking to the formula set by Jesus' example, can we do better than that?
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A new generation of anointed that will not pass away.
by Fisherman inobviously, the older “ anointed ” from 1914 died.
and because they were anointed, they hopefully went to heaven.
in the first century though, a newer generation did not replace the old.
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waton
The point is that the length of “this generation” is limited to the age of the second group of anointed. Fm.
Fischerman, David Splane discussed the age issue, and volunteered, that older anointed than Frere Frederick Franz are, and will be out there. That would include clandestine partakers like yours truly, that rubbed shoulders with him in his last decade. so,
doing the numbers again: 2 anointed, reaching the not uncommon age of 100 (we have one in our congregation) and overlapping by 20 years each ( or being age 20 in 1914), gives a length of the two overlapping groups of contemporaries as 160 years, thus reaching from 1914 to 2074 for the start of the GT, 2075 for all having occurred.
Perhaps David and you wanted to emphasize how close, soon paradise is, but end up to sink the hopes of most that are alive now, and wt sticks to its 1918/19 slogan: " millions now , in 2022, living will never die, "will not pass away"
Jesus was specific in saying that the generation will pass away, and when, ---- after the GT, not before, as wt at present prophecies.
The anointed will have to pass away to go to heaven as did the Christ. wt Mission impossible.
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A new generation of anointed that will not pass away.
by Fisherman inobviously, the older “ anointed ” from 1914 died.
and because they were anointed, they hopefully went to heaven.
in the first century though, a newer generation did not replace the old.
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waton
the second group of anointed will not die off before the great tribulation. Nothing more is officially stated or implied.
Fischerman: that is the exact opposite of what Jesus taught about the last generation , all fulfillments.
He in effect, said that the last generation, overlapped or not, will pass away only after, or until the Great Tribulation, all, including the climax, has occurred.
Jesus puts the total of the Great Tribulation within the last old world generation, Wt/Fm excludes the GT from the anointed generation.
The "anointed" of 1914 theory has failed in all its predictions, get rid of it.
documentation please
Vdh: try the Elijah to Elisha succession; wt applications.
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Beware of "organization." - They said it!
by punkofnice inwatchtower, september 15, 1895: "beware of "organization.
" it is wholly unnecessary.
the bible rules will be the only rules you will need.
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waton
Vdh: God rejected all the false religions in 1918
There can be only one true religion and it unwaveringly still teaches their slogan of 1918: "---- Millions now living will never die"
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Bring on the YOUNG elders
by enoughisenough inthere seems to be a push to fast track the younger men to become elders.
beings jesus was 30 when he took up his ministry, i would think that would sort of be an age gauge...the older men were to have their children in subjection, so some were old enough to have children that were old enough to want to rebel.
( that's my slant ) how will the ones who have been jw for years respond to being counseled by those younger than some of their grandchildren?
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waton
There are many function in the congregations where age is not an essential asset. They have to give the capable youngsters a meaningful rule among the often boring old guard.
My advice to one of those 21 year olds: "Keep your Christian Innocence" . He is not a "newly converted man", but wt promotion could go to his head. who knows there might be good trojan horses among those not loaded down with wt doctrinal baggage.
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Did you ever meet someone born in the 1800’s?
by Fisherman ini met freddie franz who was born in the 1880’s and many others from the 1880’s.
but as a very small child i remember someone very old aged 106 and that person was born around 1856 which means that he was around people from the 1700’s..
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waton
In my hometown in my youth lived both Adolf and Albert. Heard, but never met them, but it's safe to say that a quarter of the people around then were born in the previous century. Conversed with F .Franz, Br. Friend, even more bizarre old partakers.
At 91+, if you asked me if I belonged to that now gone generation or the newer crop, I would have to stay with the gone seniors. Does that make me an overlapper? my feelings do not render valid the overlapping overreach of the wt anointed generation .