Data Dog, yes, the persistent use of replacing "after the 1000 years have ended} with "until the end of the 1000 years" shows that the deluded ones among the writers are still deep "in"
nonsense that badly affected millions.
Posts by waton
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10Wt's long term time speculations.
by waton inlast week's wt study, sept. 25 - oct, 1 , contains a wording often repeated in old publications, that is at variance with the bible's reading , (no surprise here), wherein wt writers have consistently insisted that the universal sovereignty issue will be settled by,- or at the end of the 1000 year reign.
this erroneous rendering of the events following satan's release after the millennium is again used in par.
"--it will not be until the end of his thousand year reign that all his enemies will be completely destroyed.." .
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waton
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Wt's long term time speculations.
by waton inlast week's wt study, sept. 25 - oct, 1 , contains a wording often repeated in old publications, that is at variance with the bible's reading , (no surprise here), wherein wt writers have consistently insisted that the universal sovereignty issue will be settled by,- or at the end of the 1000 year reign.
this erroneous rendering of the events following satan's release after the millennium is again used in par.
"--it will not be until the end of his thousand year reign that all his enemies will be completely destroyed.." .
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waton
SG, SG, Sr, all, Yes, the bible idea of one intervention after another, that never happened is ridiculous, but my point was, if you care, that
wt writers adhere to a scripted time table requiring precise wording to be fed into the minds of believers, a timetable that still ticks on the 7000 year cycle, which got jws into the 1975 frenzy. Par 18 revealed that.
all will be done by ~3075, --- if D. Splane can be believed. Ripley anyone?
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Interesting conversation with JW friend
by Jules Saturn ini was withh a friend of mine who is a jw still and for whatever reason we started talking the bible.
i asked him about lazarus and how is that when he died he paid the price of sin, but then jesus resurrected him.
and i asked him "where is lazarus today?
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waton
Based on all these comments, perhaps wt should introduce a dual stage ransom/ forgiveness doctrine?:
You pay for your personal sins by your own death, (even repeated demise) but only the stake/cross will pay for "Adamic" sin?
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Interesting conversation with JW friend
by Jules Saturn ini was withh a friend of mine who is a jw still and for whatever reason we started talking the bible.
i asked him about lazarus and how is that when he died he paid the price of sin, but then jesus resurrected him.
and i asked him "where is lazarus today?
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waton
re: Eutychus and Dorcas: It just shows you the power of the resurrectors. They can even recreate imperfect humans, with their past personal sins paid for by their individual death, (but still carrying Adamic sin and propensity to fall). If only that snake had not talked ha ha.
perfection is never a barrier to deviance, why do you think we have second death in the wt armory?
Lazarus can be resurrected the next time as a 144,000). berryjery
if he lived long enough to partake, they tried to kill him remember?
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Wt's long term time speculations.
by waton inlast week's wt study, sept. 25 - oct, 1 , contains a wording often repeated in old publications, that is at variance with the bible's reading , (no surprise here), wherein wt writers have consistently insisted that the universal sovereignty issue will be settled by,- or at the end of the 1000 year reign.
this erroneous rendering of the events following satan's release after the millennium is again used in par.
"--it will not be until the end of his thousand year reign that all his enemies will be completely destroyed.." .
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waton
Sir, no, old news, but above It shows that they are still at it, contradicting Acts 1:7 time wise. enjoy the details.
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Wt's long term time speculations.
by waton inlast week's wt study, sept. 25 - oct, 1 , contains a wording often repeated in old publications, that is at variance with the bible's reading , (no surprise here), wherein wt writers have consistently insisted that the universal sovereignty issue will be settled by,- or at the end of the 1000 year reign.
this erroneous rendering of the events following satan's release after the millennium is again used in par.
"--it will not be until the end of his thousand year reign that all his enemies will be completely destroyed.." .
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waton
Last week's wt study, Sept. 25 - Oct, 1 , contains a wording often repeated in old publications, that is at variance with the bible's reading , (no surprise here), wherein Wt writers have consistently insisted that the universal sovereignty issue will be settled by,- or at the end of the 1000 year reign.
This erroneous rendering of the events following Satan's release after the millennium is again used in Par. 18.
"--it will not be until the end of his Thousand Year Reign that all his enemies will be completely destroyed.."
"until the end" clearly implies, wrongly, that the final test falls within the 1000 years and there will clear sailing after 49 000 years aA (after Adam.) ha ha.
This contradictory wording, together with the unfitting anointed generation ending, makes me believe that wt has a serious long term time concept, in the range of the Jubilee cycle, that does not match bible writings. confused as these are.
wt is superimposing it's beliefs on the bible.
PS. interesting too how they link the kingdoms: 1914 Christ starts his "rule", but later has his "Thousand Year Reign", capitalized.
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"Circumcision is a sign to set you apart from the people of the nations"
by stuckinarut2 inwe know that the hebrew scriptures, or old testament states that the practice of circumcision (of males) was supposed to be yet another sign that set the jews apart from the "people of the nations".
but apart from so many odd things, how dumb is this?.
i mean, how did someone know if a male was circumcised or not??
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waton
The unkindest cut of all. pon
wrong!,-- try it, you might be pleasantly surprised. FGM is different, and takes that title.
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October 1, 1914 -- October 1, 2017
by Alfred in“october 1, 1914, on taking his place at the breakfast table in the brooklyn bethel dining-room, he in a strong voice denoting conviction announced: “the gentile times have ended!” “ – watchtower july 15, 1950 page 216 paragraph 1. .
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waton
A fool, worse than the shooter in Vegas, in lives lost betheliesalot
Do not be disrespectful. This man pictured was chosen 5 years later to be the big cheese of the Faithful and Discreet Slave, on the basis of how he followed up on that "kings had their day" pronouncement. How did he do that?, by the worldwide campaign announcing:
"The World has ended, Millions now living will never die" ( page 426, of the wt book: JWs, Proclaimers of God's Kingdom )
not only did the kings have their day, the world ended. wt wisdom!
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Two coins of little value? Ok! Sure (!)
by purrpurr inlast thursday meeting was the verbal begging bowl item.
in which having told the audience that wt doesn't ask for money... proceeded to then ask for money.. among the usual scriptures cited "honor god with your valuable things" etc was also the widows mite story "she dropped in two coins of little value..".
and it occurred to me, two coins of little value in the uk would be two one penny coins!
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waton
Perhaps Jesus, who after praising the widow at the temple , also declared that the whole thing was doomed , and had a hidden message? like:
There is something wrong here, even two pennies is too much?
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October 1, 1914 -- October 1, 2017
by Alfred in“october 1, 1914, on taking his place at the breakfast table in the brooklyn bethel dining-room, he in a strong voice denoting conviction announced: “the gentile times have ended!” “ – watchtower july 15, 1950 page 216 paragraph 1. .
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waton
"The kings had their day" , this idea, that the rulers: Kaiser, King and Zar, and your local dogcatcher were now illegitimately hanging on to their power, may have been behind the unscriptural teaching introduced circa 1929, that these were not the "superior authorities " of Romans 13, but that J1 and J2 were.
It took wt ~60 years to legitimise the "worldly" governments again. This flip flop indirectly acknowledging that Church doctrines migh be right, wt wrong.