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djeggnog: I believe what the Bible says in its entirety, which is my choice.
Let us test that, given your superior spirituality:
Do you believe Jesus' end time prophecies in Math. 24, 25, especially 24: 34,( this generation will not pass away until all these things are fulfilled?) and 25:26? ( Goats depart into everlasting cutting off--sheep into everlasting life [at ~Armageddon]). ?
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d wrote: What does any of what I said about Armageddon have to do with the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses? Your Splaine comment means what about Armageddon were he to die? There is no timeline; no one knows the day and hour, so your rambling aside, why does it matter to you what Jehovah's Witnesses believe about Armageddon?
The timeline published has everything to do with the GB. David had his chart. according to wt publications, the anointed will not survive the onset of the GT. be gone by Armageddon, they will have to, to fight in it, as bible-predicted. Were David to die, it would lieve Linda a widow, a class lady. WT Armageddon teachings matter to me, because I was duped to teach falsehoods about it, and too much collateral damage is predicted about it, with precision strikes like passover in Egypt claimed as possible. angelically.
d wrote: What "Rapture"? There will be no Rapture,
"jws hate using precise terms if they can distinguish from BTG, common wording, so: "called to their reward", gathered to heaven. instant 1st resurrection at death. better?
d wrote: Why 2075? ls this a joke? ---
Of course the overlapping generation is a joke, and David said that there probably are longer living anointed than Freddy Franz. FF "served" from before 1914 to 1992. > 78 years. add that to 1992 ( another freddy-like partaker overlapping),- gives you > 2070. allowing time for the departure (rapture), longer lives, and the GT prelude, that gives you the 2075 estimate. a nice anniversary for another wt failure.I
d: I believe what the Bible says in its entirety, which is my choice.
A choice that hopefully will not be final, because, while the bible is the basis for our discussion, it is not believable. My spirituality is beyond belief in ancient, outdated writings, that have such a tenuous connection to reality. Example: Gen 1:1 The Earth was not created at the beginning, Gen. 9: there was no flood killing all, cresting above Everest, ever. -------
Creation, is too grandiose, majestic to be explained , understood by these stale stories, kindergarten reading level
according to john 20:22 the apostles did not receive the holy spirit until after jesus was resurrected.
wouldn't this make them part of 'the other sheep' when they partook of the bread and wine?.
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PS: class started 50 days later first lesson: : Fire drill, second: languages.
"if i understand what you just declared, you just asserted that cern, the european center for nuclear research, disproved the existence of ghosts.".
"yes," cox replied.. http://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2017/02/16/has_the_large_hadron_collider_disproved_the_existence_of_ghosts.html.
what do you think about this relating to.
Quote: "- carries information about our living cells to persist then we must specify precisely what medium carries that pattern and how it interacts with the matter particles out of which our bodies are made. We must, in other words, invent an extension to the Standard Model of Particle Physics that has escaped detection at the Large Hadron Collider. That's almost inconceivable at the energy scale
unsure: the key word might be "persist", like a ghostlike exoplasm, or "Samuel's apparition"
It is nonsense to link a machine that replicates the energy levels of the big bang with whispy smoke and mirrors. he is latching on to something big for attention. agree with jp.
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the wine that symbolizes Jesus' blood was drank along with the unleavened bread (crackers) eaten by his anointed followers, so if
djeggnog: before you question other's "spiritual maturity", please check you own! In Jesus' presence, there were no anointed followers eating crackers (with the sauce of the lamb stew.), they still had the earthly hope, (read the full account of Acts 1:6-8 cited in par. 8 of this week's wt study. ) and
Yes wt teaches that satan, and angels had to use animals to communicate with humans, but that is at the child's level of Little Red Riding Hood and the wolf. You cant be serious to base your life on tales like that?
in other words, what good works have the 144000 done to be secured a place in heaven?
i am told they have already been chosen.
does that mean that jehovah also knows our future?
Perry, a very good exhaustive summary, but it all hinges on the mythology, organisational spin the previous two posters (NN7 F) mentioned.
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Most Jehovah's Witnesses believe Armageddon is around the proverbial corner,
djeggnog: If Armageddon would be just around the corner, the GT would be in full progress (according to wt current timeline, David Splaine et al) and therefore,
There would be no genuine anointed left on Earth, to take the emblems, because the Rapture having already taken place, the immortal anointed would be already in battle gear lined up with the heavenly armies to smite the evildoers like us on JWN.
relax, the wait can last to 2075,
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Unless they were truly anointed, just touching the emblems could cause instant death.
JW_R: that what Eve of Eden thought about the forbidden fruit, and said so, to the talking, and listening snake. The anointing is snake oil, a touchy subject for some.
the full story, as told in the uk guardian can be found at: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/apr/16/arctic-ice-cores-melt-university-alberta-canada.
and briefly it tells of an equipment failure at a storage facility for ice cores that had been extracted from the polar ice cap in various locations.. but note, that the layers of ice evident in the cores covered a period of 22,000 years.
and from the christian/jw perspective, that's impossible, for the bible story of the flood (verified by jesus and sundry other biblical writers) maintains that 4000+ years ago, the ice caps would have melted during the period when the earth was covered by the divinely caused deluge.
These are living glaciers. there was a B 29. rare in Europe, (US Air force flew B17 and Liberators), and it was not encased in ice, it was readied, but tragically it burned , during take off, because of fire in a faulty auxiliary generator.
A warm water event the heights of Everest would have lifted the ice off it's base.
Jesus endorsing the flood does not add credence to it, but sinks his credibility, that is the core truth.
PS: come to think of it, that B29 could be from the 1948, not 1944 period.
mediator and the new covenant.
the society has taught that only the 144,000 are to par-take of the emblems and jesus only mediates and died for them.
"he is the mediator between his heavenly father, jehovah god, and the nation of spiritual israel, which is limited to only 144,000 members.
A "proper" understanding, based on whose hallucination?
NN: the talking snake story was possibly in part influenced by psychic substance use. To disprove any erroneus conclusion, that clash with the details of the plot, you do not need more pot, but pitting one version against the other, eliminating errors in a version, one by one, that is why crime stories are fun.
