i never realised there was such a thing as 'christian agnosticism' until recently.
i've been wondering for a long time where my beliefs where at.
i still believe in god and still believe in jesus but not sure exactly what else.
Of course it is honest to admit that we do not know it all at all. that is being an a-gnostic. A Deist though, believes that there is a Creator, just not an intervening, constantly micro-managing "god".
A Christian Agnostic must accept that there was a talking snake, requiring Christ to die and compensate, not knowing is not the right word for that proposition. or?
after knowing the ttatt i felt anger of all the lies i was told for years.
then, i did some changes in my life to the better.
i was doubting but felt relieved.
at the meetings make it your task to prove more and more how wrong they really are.
for several weeks i've been treating myself to a hot chocolate milk (well, soymilk) before bedtime.
some 16 oz soymilk which i heat on high in our microwave oven.
this is just enough time where the liquid begins to bubble along the top edge.. i then take it out of the microwave and place it on my kitchen gram scale, stir it good enough to redistribute the heat, then reset the scale to zero grams.. next, i squeeze in the hershey's sytup, "special dark mildly sweet chocolate" (fat free) into the warmed soymilk till the scale reads some 30 grams.
try to replicate it with another scale. 0ne using actual weights & balance.
according to john 20:22 the apostles did not receive the holy spirit until after jesus was resurrected.
wouldn't this make them part of 'the other sheep' when they partook of the bread and wine?.
So if the anointed are only the apostles present at the last supper, then only 11 or at most 12 were of the anointed and going to heaven? All the rest were staying on earth? blondi:
At the time of the last supper, there could have been 500 "brothers",-- believers. but, the Passover being a family affair, only 12/11 of them were present in Jesus' inner circle. obviously it was meant to expand as he mentioned in Acts 1:7 to the distant part of the Earth.
To strengthen the " you are an Earthling first before you become an anointed, take Rev 7, the 144 000 chapter. There the anointed are sealed out of the 12 tribes of Israel.
According to written wt wisdom : "the 12 tribes consistently defined as all earthly, non-anointed people" yes, believe it or not, the 12 tribes of spiritual Israel are Earthly, and out of them come the anointed.
earthly first, then partake, then become perhaps anointed.
not endorsing just reporting.
OTWO, you have to play with the card you have received, dealt, and we have those data in the bible, talking snake and all.
according to john 20:22 the apostles did not receive the holy spirit until after jesus was resurrected.
wouldn't this make them part of 'the other sheep' when they partook of the bread and wine?.
Just the timeline I see in the bible.
blondi, new to mi.
fact is, even Jesus in his post-mortem discourses did not even then discourage the earthly hope among these early partakers. Shortly before his ascension, as recorded in Acts 1:6,7, the disciples were asking for their promised rule over the 12 tribes , understood by them to be on Earth, sitting on thrones, eating and drinking in that kingdom. And Jesus did then not contradict that idea, instead choose to make the comment about timing being in the "Father's" domain.
according to john 20:22 the apostles did not receive the holy spirit until after jesus was resurrected.
wouldn't this make them part of 'the other sheep' when they partook of the bread and wine?.
no, the Other Sheep are actually the Gentile Christians, like Cornelius that were not of the fold of Israel, that was in the Law Covenant. so:
All anointed ones, including Jesus, have to start out with an Earthly future. and could end up with the kingdom hope or covenant.
The context shows that the apostles at the last supper , even after Jesus' resurrection, retained the earthly hope. therefore:
The Emblems should be served and taken by all with an earthly hope, for the wine pictures the New Covenant, which is for forgiveness of sins (read it, Jeremiah 31). Then
Let heavens decide whether you end up up there , or on Earth. Either way, to get everlasting life, you will have to partake sooner or later: read John 6. no partaking, no life.
Jesus , and the anointed though, have to sacrifice, to give up everlasting life on earth (that they have by virtue of partaking, or by birth) to get immortality in heaven, whereas the OS retain it.
P.S. : Of all people, the Other Sheep, living in the overlapping last days, should be partaking rather than the anointed. why? at least the anointed going up up in the rapture, die, paying the price of sin (if any) whereas the Earthly Class supposedly never dying (wt promise: Millions now living will never die) will never personally pay that price. so: partake, sooner or later to live!
not endorsing, just pointing it out.
wt has made a number of references to this alleged quote by j. paul getty:.
“money doesn’t necessarily have any connection with happiness.
nothing in my wt life brought more stress and anxiety than not having enough money.. this quote makes far more sense:.
A very broad question.
If your happiness comes from work, and are paid by the hour, it is a win win situation, but if you hate the work, are underpaid, it is misery.
If you have money, without having to give time in exchange, you can make things happen for you, that is why they call it happiness, you have it happening, by choice.
wt has made a number of references to this alleged quote by j. paul getty:.
“money doesn’t necessarily have any connection with happiness.
nothing in my wt life brought more stress and anxiety than not having enough money.. this quote makes far more sense:.
What mind control thought does WT want its victims to think? Money is no good.. LLlfsm
yeah, do wait not throw it in the street, even Wall Street, give it wtbts. Inc. we will plead your case for the resurrection once we get up there.
... but, they fail to take note of one important detail.. i believe that if we are going to have any chance of reasoning with a jw about blood, this is the place we need to begin.. don't try to convince them that it was only a dietary law.
it wasn't, and they will never go along with it.. don't tell them that saving a life is more important than obeying a law, even a seemingly trivial one.
they take pride in obedience.
It is a good thing that they used nails (used nails?) which caused some bleeding, and the soldier pricked Jesus with a spear to see if he was already dead, (or unconscious), and the chest cavity emptied, or
no blood would have been spilled, since the death on the stake/cross was by suffocation (breaking the supporting legs to hasten it).
blondie’s comments you will not hear at the april 9, 2017 wt study (february 2017) (purpose).
https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/watchtower-study-february-2017/gods-purpose-will-be-fulfilled/.
excellent general website: www.jwfacts.com .
Are women created in God’s image? Or is there an exception?
Blondi, thanks, yes they are. assuming that "god" is eternal, (because there always must have been time), and the universe started in a point of that time, then the universe and us were, and still are inside "god" so, the female is one of the perfect presentation of "god"
male and female he made them, in his image.
