Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear At The 4-9-2017 WT Study (PURPOSE)(FEBRUARY 2017)

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    blondie

    BLONDIE’S COMMENTS YOU WILL NOT HEAR AT THE APRIL 9, 2017 WT Study (FEBRUARY 2017) (PURPOSE)

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    OPENING COMMENTS

    Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden; the serpent speaks to Eve, she eats the fruit, and gives it to Adam

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    Jehovah’s Purpose Will Be Fulfilled!

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    Jehovah’s Purpose Will Be Fulfilled!

    “I have spoken, and I will bring it about. I have purposed it, and I will also carry it out.”—ISA. 46:11.

    SONGS: 25, 18

    HOW WOULD YOU ANSWER?

    • What is Jehovah’s purpose for mankind?

    • What rebellious actions did not defeat Jehovah’s purpose?

    • How will Jehovah’s purpose be fulfilled?

      1, 2. (a) What has Jehovah revealed to us? (b) What assurance do we find at Isaiah 46:10, 11 and 55:11?

      THE very first words of the Bible make this simple but profound statement: “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.” (Gen. 1:1) It is true that we have only a little understanding of the many things God created, such as space, light, and gravity, and we have seen only a small fraction of the universe. (Eccl. 3:11) Yet, Jehovah has revealed to us his purpose for the earth and for mankind. The earth was to be an ideal home for men and women created in God’s image. (Gen. 1:26) They would be his children, and Jehovah would be their Father.

      COMMENTS

      Simple does not mean understood, simple to whom….thousands of years per WTS (42,000 years, 6 creative days of 7,000 years each although not mentioned much thought not adjusted or clarified), 6 24 hour days per some creationist Christians, or 4.6 billion years just for the formation of the planet earth and the surrounding solar system and more for the universe? How simple is that?

      What is God’s purpose then for the rest of his creation in heaven, does that exist in a vacuum apart from his purpose for this planet?

      Are women created in God’s image? Or is there an exception?

      1 Corinthians 11:7, 8 7 For a man should not have his head covered, as he is God’s image and glory, but the woman is man’s glory. 8 For man did not come from woman, but woman came from man.

      Insight Book, Vol. 2 p.782 RESPECT

      Among family members. A wife is rightly to manifest wholesome fear, or deep respect, for her husband as head of the family. (Eph 5:33) This harmonizes with the preeminence given to man in God’s arrangement. Man, not woman, was created first, and he is “God’s image and glory.” (1Co 11:7-9; 1Ti 2:11-13)

      Or

    *** g80 4/8 p. 5 People-How They Began ***

    In a particular respect man was in God's image where woman was not-in headship. (1 Cor. 11:3, 7) Both the man and the woman shared in being in God's likeness insofar as each one possessed the divine attributes given at the time of their creation.

    *** w72 7/15 p. 445 Woman's Regard for Headship-How Demonstrated? ***

    Unlike the woman, the man does not have an earthly head over him when it comes to matters relating to his wife and children. Hence in this respect he alone is "God's image."

    2 As explained in the third chapter of Genesis, Jehovah’s purpose encountered a challenge. (Gen. 3:1-7) However, that challenge was by no means insurmountable. No one can stand in Jehovah’s way. (Isa. 46:10, 11; 55:11) Therefore, we can be certain that Jehovah’s original purpose will be fulfilled exactly on time!

    COMMENTS

    After only 30 years of a human on earth, shortly after Eve’s creation, problems in paradise. After 42,000 years of making the earth ready for human life (per the WTS) it is wrecked. And according to WTS timekeeping, it has been over 6,000 years and it is still not fixed.

    3. (a) What truths are fundamental to our understanding of the Bible’s message? (b) Why do we review such teachings now? (c) What questions will we consider?

    3 No doubt, we are familiar with Bible truths about God’s purpose for the earth and mankind and about the central role of Jesus Christ in the outworking of God’s purpose. They are of fundamental importance and are likely among the first truths we learned when we began to study God’s Word. We, in turn, want to help sincere people to become familiar with these vital teachings. Currently, as we are considering this article as a congregation, we are striving to invite as many people as possible to the Memorial of Christ’s death. (Luke 22:19, 20) Those who attend will learn much regarding God’s purpose. So in these last few days before the Memorial, it is timely that we think about specific questions that we can use to stimulate the interest of our Bible students and other sincere individuals in this important event. We will consider three questions: What was God’s original purpose for the earth and mankind? What went wrong? And why is Jesus’ ransom sacrifice the key that unlocks the door for God’s purpose to be accomplished?

    COMMENTS

    Familiar with the WTS interpretation of their version of bible “truths.” Seems like life for humans is the most important not God’s name. Yes, tell people they are invited to a meal but they cannot eat or drink. Specific questions that hide the end game of the WTS. Yes, eternal life on a paradise earth never dying surrounded by resurrected loved ones…after God has over 8 billion destroyed forever, including babes in the womb, babies, children all unable to make a personal decision but dead forever because of their parents.

    WHAT WAS THE CREATOR’S ORIGINAL PURPOSE?

    4. How does creation declare Jehovah’s glory?

    4 Jehovah is an awe-inspiring Creator. Everything he creates meets the highest standards. (Gen. 1:31; Jer. 10:12) What can we learn from the beauty and order that are evident in creation? When observing creation, we are impressed with the way all of Jehovah’s creative works, small and large, serve a beneficial purpose. Who does not marvel at the intricacies of the human cell, the delicateness of a newborn baby, or the splendor of a gorgeous sunset? We admire these creations because we have a built-in sense of what is truly beautiful.—Read Psalm 19:1; 104:24.

    COMMENTS

    So why after millions of living in heaven, did an angel and later other angels abandon that life, seeing god and his activities, participating in them, choose to trick humans into a choice that lead to permanent death? And god let it happen? Would you stand by while someone tricked your child into hurting himself?

    Beauty in the WTS means whatever the COBOE and other elders believe it is. No beards for men, no double ear piercings for some sisters, no tight pants, no brown dress shoes, only white shorts on the platform at assemblies and conventions, no dyed hair, no black nail polish (or navy or lime green), Only skirts for sisters, except if you are cleaning out the barn and working in the garden.

    5. How does Jehovah ensure that all creation functions harmoniously?

    5 As is evident in creation, Jehovah lovingly set boundaries. He made both natural laws and moral laws to ensure that everything functions harmoniously. (Ps. 19:7-9) Hence, all things in the universe have an assigned place and function according to their role in God’s purpose. Jehovah sets the standard for how his creation should work together. Thus, the law of gravity holds the atmosphere close to the earth, regulates tides and oceans, and contributes to the physical order essential to life on earth. All creation, including humans, moves and functions within these boundaries. Clearly, the order in creation testifies that God has a purpose for earth and mankind. In our ministry, can we draw attention to the Cause of this impressive order?—Rev. 4:11.

    COMMENTS

    God sets boundaries, but the WTS takes it many steps forward, because the rank and file jw cannot understand god’s word like they can. Law of gravity, don’t the astronauts in heaven work without gravity. So are physical laws the same as moral laws? Is order a flowerbed with carefully chosen flowers or the blanket of random flowers in a field?

    6, 7. What are some gifts that Jehovah gave Adam and Eve?

    6 Jehovah’s original purpose was for mankind to live forever here on earth. (Gen. 1:28; Ps. 37:29) He generously gave Adam and Eve a variety of precious gifts that enabled them to enjoy life. (Read James 1:17.) Jehovah gave them free will, the ability to reason, and the capacity to love and to enjoy friendship. The Creator spoke to Adam and instructed him on how to show his obedience. Adam also learned how to take care of his needs and how to care for the animals and the land. (Gen. 2:15-17, 19, 20) Jehovah also created Adam and Eve with the senses of taste, touch, sight, sound, and smell. Thus they could enjoy to the full the beauty and bounty of their Paradise home. For the first human pair, the possibilities for satisfying work, accomplishment, and discovery were endless.

    COMMENTS

    Note as in the case of what a “cult” is the WTS provides their own definition of what “free will” is. Does this fit in with the many rules about what we can eat, wear, do for work, where and how we will live?

    Does God Care/How We Are Made p.10-11

    3 Let us consider how free will is involved in God’s permission of suffering. To begin with, think about this: Do you appreciate having the freedom to choose what you will do and say, what you will eat and wear, what kind of work you will do, and where and how you will live? Or would you want someone to dictate your every word and action every moment of your life?

    4 No normal person wants his life taken out of his control so completely. Why not? Because of the way God made us. The Bible tells us that God created man in his ‘image and likeness,’ and one of the faculties God himself has is freedom of choice. (Genesis 1:26; Deuteronomy 7:6) When he created humans, he gave them that same wonderful faculty—the gift of free will. That is one reason why we find it frustrating to be enslaved by oppressive rulers.

    7 What else was part of God’s purpose? Jehovah created Adam and Eve with the ability to have perfect children. God had in mind for their children to have children, until the human family filled the whole earth. He wanted Adam and Eve and all parents after them to love their children as Jehovah loved his first perfect human children. Earth, with all its resources, was to become their permanent home.—Ps. 115:16.

    COMMENTS

    To have children, then why did they not have children yet, why didn’t they realize they were making the choice for their children as well…how smart were they?

    WHAT WENT WRONG?

    8. What purpose was served by the law found at Genesis 2:16, 17?

    8 Things did not immediately work out as God had purposed. Why not? Jehovah gave Adam and Eve a simple law that served to test whether they recognized the limits of their freedom. He said: “From every tree of the garden you may eat to satisfaction. But as for the tree of the knowledge of good and bad, you must not eat from it, for in the day you eat from it you will certainly die.” (Gen. 2:16, 17) It was not hard for Adam and Eve to understand this law; nor was it a hardship for them to obey it. After all, they had more food available than they could eat.

    COMMENTS

    Simple law…did they understand that their choice would kill any future children they had? If it were not hard to obey, why did both of them fail, perfect humans! Imperfect humans have since been able to choose to obey God. Why did God let one of his nonearthly creations trick them and later not warm Abel about Cain’s plans? Where is the love in that?

    9, 10. (a) What accusation did Satan hurl against Jehovah? (b) What did Adam and Eve decide? (See opening image.)

    9 Satan the Devil, using a serpent, fooled Eve into disobeying her Father, Jehovah. (Read Genesis 3:1-5; Rev. 12:9) Satan made an issue of the fact that God’s human children were not allowed to eat “from every tree of the garden.” It was as if he were saying: ‘You mean you cannot do what you want?’ Next, he told a blatant lie: “You certainly will not die.” Then he tried to convince Eve that she need not listen to God, saying: “God knows that in the very day you eat from it, your eyes will be opened.” Satan implied that Jehovah did not want them to eat the fruit because doing so would enlighten them. Further, Satan made this false promise: “You will be like God, knowing good and bad.”

    COMMENTS

    Why did the perfect woman not realize that snakes did not talk and that this must be something else and ask Adam. I’m imperfect and that’s what I would have done. So it seems that Adam had failed in his teaching/study with Eve about living on earth.

    10 Now Adam and Eve had to decide what to do. Would they obey Jehovah, or would they listen to the serpent? They decided to disobey God. By doing so, they joined Satan’s rebellion. They rejected Jehovah as their Father and estranged themselves from the security of his protective rule.—Gen. 3:6-13.

    COMMENTS

    Their decision was not made together, She had already decided. Did Adam talk to the serpent in Genesis? My questions on this story have become so many lacking sensible answers, I no longer believe this really happened. It is like the early creation statement, simple but not understandable in the light of simple facts.

    11. Why does Jehovah not tolerate rebellion?

    11 By rebelling against Jehovah, Adam and Eve lost their perfection. Moreover, their rebellion resulted in alienation from Jehovah because his “eyes are too pure to look on what is evil.” Therefore, he “cannot tolerate wickedness.” (Hab. 1:13) If he had tolerated it, the well-being of all living creatures—in heaven and on earth—would be threatened. Above all, had God done nothing about the sin committed in Eden, his own trustworthiness would have been called into question. But Jehovah is faithful to his own standards; he never violates them. (Ps. 119:142) Thus, having free will did not entitle Adam and Eve to disregard God’s law. As a consequence of rebelling against Jehovah, they died and returned to the dust from which they had been created.—Gen. 3:19.

    COMMENTS

    God does not tolerate rebellion but punishment differs for the same things. Adam and Eve died before 1,000 years but Satan lives on thousands of years after they died. Even in the 1914 battle in heaven per the WTS, he still lives on contained in the vicinity of the earth. And even when the rest of the wicked humans die forever at Armaggeddon he still lives in in the abyss for another 1,000 years.

    12. What happened to Adam’s children?

    12 When Adam and Eve ate of that fruit, they put themselves in a position where they could no longer be accepted as members of God’s universal family. God expelled them from Eden, and they had no hope of ever returning. (Gen. 3:23, 24) In doing so, Jehovah justly made them face the consequences of their own decision. (Read Deuteronomy 32:4, 5.) No longer perfect, man could not reflect God’s qualities perfectly. Adam not only lost a marvelous future for himself but also handed down to his children imperfection, sin, and death. (Rom. 5:12) He deprived his offspring of the prospect of life without end. Furthermore, Adam and Eve could no longer have a perfect child; neither could any of their children have a perfect child. After turning Adam and Eve away from God, Satan the Devil has continued to mislead mankind until today.—John 8:44.

    COMMENTS

    Yes, Adam and Even were df’d from God’s universal family….no chance to be reinstated though. But god has allowed humans to procreate, kill each other, without providing laws for them until the Law code which the WTS was designed just to prove they could do nothing to get back the life Adam and Eve lost.

    THE RANSOM HEALS A RIFT

    13. What does Jehovah want for mankind?

    13 God’s love for humans, however, endures. Despite Adam and Eve’s rebellion, Jehovah wants mankind to enjoy a good relationship with him. He does not desire any to die. (2 Pet. 3:9) So right after the rebellion, God made arrangements to enable humans to restore their friendship with him while he at the same time maintained his own righteous standards. How did Jehovah accomplish this?

    COMMENTS

    He may say he loves humans; but he has thousands to die of disease, war, etc., and blamed it on them, even small children executed eternally at the flood and Sodom and Gomorrah have no chance of a resurrection because their parents sinned.

    14. (a) According to John 3:16, what provision did God make to restore mankind? (b) What question might we consider with interested ones?

    14 Read John 3:16. Many whom we invite to the Memorial will know this verse by heart. But the question is, How does Jesus’ sacrifice make everlasting life possible? The Memorial campaign, the Memorial itself, and the calls we later make on those who attended may provide us with the opportunity to help sincere truth-seekers to understand the answer to that important question. Such ones may be impressed when they begin to understand to a fuller degree how Jehovah’s love and wisdom are expressed by the ransom provision. What points about the ransom could we highlight?

    COMMENTS

    Do many JWS know what this verse says without looking it up? Everlasting life, the carrot dangled in front of non-jws and the one that jws cling to despite the serious flaws they see in the WTS. Why not the so-called most important issue god’s sovereignty? Do new jws see the love of members of the WTS towards their fellow believers as time goes on?

    15. How did the man Jesus differ from the man Adam?

    15 Jehovah provided a perfect man who could become the ransomer. That perfect man would need to be loyal to Jehovah and be willing to give his life in exchange for doomed humanity. (Rom. 5:17-19) Jehovah transferred the life of his very first creation from heaven to earth. (John 1:14) Jesus thus became a perfect human, just as Adam had been. But unlike Adam, Jesus lived up to the standard Jehovah expected from a perfect man. Even under the most extreme tests, Jesus never sinned nor broke any of God’s laws.

    COMMENTS

    Do non-jws believe that Jesus was only a perfect man? Maybe that issue needs to be addressed first or the ransom could be invalidated. How did god “transfer” Jesus life to Mary’s womb; much like invitro fertilization, but in this case where the father is not the husband? Does WTS policy allow that for its members or is it considered adultery?

    W12 12/15 p.1

    When fertilization involving eggs or sperm (or both) from someone not within the marital union occurs, this amounts to what the Bible terms por·neiʹa, sexual immorality. Those procedures are a gross misuse of the sexual organs.—Matt. 5:32; 1 Cor. 5:11; 6:9, 18; Heb. 13:4.

    16. Why is the ransom such a precious gift?

    16 As a perfect man, Jesus could save humankind from sin and death by dying in their behalf. He corresponded exactly to all that Adam should have been—a perfect man, absolutely loyal and obedient to God. (1 Tim. 2:6) Jesus became the ransom sacrifice that opened the way to endless life “for many”—men, women, and children. (Matt. 20:28) Indeed, the ransom is the key that unlocks the door to the fulfillment of God’s original purpose. (2 Cor. 1:19, 20) The ransom gives all faithful humans the prospect of everlasting life.

    COMMENTS

    Could Jesus be a perfect man if he was the result of an adulterous union? “For many” opened only for jws and children of jws. Even all faithful humans (or jws) only have the prospect, no guarantee.

    JEHOVAH OPENED THE DOOR FOR US TO RETURN

    17. What does the ransom make possible?

    17 Jehovah provided the ransom at great cost to himself. (1 Pet. 1:19) He values humanity so highly that he was willing to let his only-begotten Son die in our behalf. (1 John 4:9, 10) In a sense, Jesus takes the place of our original human father, Adam. (1 Cor. 15:45) By doing so, Jesus restores more than life; he gives us the opportunity to return eventually to God’s family. Yes, on the basis of Jesus’ sacrifice, Jehovah can accept humans back into his family without compromising his righteousness. Is it not heartwarming to think of a time when all faithful humans will be brought to perfection? There will be complete unity between the heavenly and earthly parts of his family. In the fullest sense, we will all be children of God.—Rom. 8:21.

    COMMENTS

    Did you know that the WTS teaches that only the “anointed” upon baptism are returned to God’s family that the rest, other sheep do not return until the final test at the end of the 1,000 year reign of Christ? That upon death and resurrection to a spirt creature, the anointed are made perfect instantly, but the rest take 1,000 years to reach that point?

    18. When will Jehovah become “all things to everyone”?

    18 Satan’s rebellion did not stop Jehovah from extending his love to mankind, nor can it prevent even imperfect humans from being loyal to Jehovah. Through his provision of the ransom, Jehovah will help all of his children to become completely righteous. Imagine what life will be like when everyone “who recognizes the Son and exercises faith” will have everlasting life. (John 6:40) With great love and wisdom, Jehovah will bring the human family to perfection, according to his original purpose. Jehovah, our Father, will then become “all things to everyone.”—1 Cor. 15:28.

    COMMENTS

    “all of his children” 144,000 upon death and resurrection, instantly perfect, but the rest take 1,000 years.

    19. (a) Gratitude for the ransom should move us to do what? (See the box “ Let Us Keep Searching Out Deserving Ones.”) (b) What aspect of the ransom will we consider next?

    19 Gratitude for the ransom should motivate us to do all we can to make others aware that they can benefit from that priceless gift. People need to know that the ransom is the means by which Jehovah lovingly offers all mankind the prospect of everlasting life. Still, the ransom accomplished even more than that. The next article will consider how Jesus’ sacrifice also addresses the moral issues that were raised by Satan back in the garden of Eden.

    COMMENTS

    “make others aware that they can beneift” only if they become jws.

    *** w89 9/1 p. 19 Remaining Organized for Survival Into the Millennium ***7 Only Jehovah’s Witnesses, those of the anointed remnant and the “great crowd,” as a united organization under the protection of the Supreme Organizer, have any Scriptural hope of surviving the impending end of this doomed system dominated by Satan the Devil.

    One of Jehovah’s Witnesses gives a person a Memorial invitation

    Let Us Keep Searching Out Deserving Ones

    THE Memorial invitation is one of the most widely circulated publications that we print. Last year, we produced some 440,000,000 copies in more than 530 languages. Do you still have some printed copies of this year’s invitation that you could distribute before the Memorial? One of the remaining invitations that you have might help a deserving one to make the decision to attend the Memorial. Who knows?—Matt. 10:11.

  • FedUpJW
    FedUpJW

    ...only white shorts on the platform at assemblies and conventions,

    I know this was a typo...but thanks for giving me a great laugh this morning in an otherwise pretty serious day. The only draw back is I now have to clean coffee out of my keyboard!

  • waton
    waton
    Are women created in God’s image? Or is there an exception?

    Blondi, thanks, yes they are. assuming that "god" is eternal, (because there always must have been time), and the universe started in a point of that time, then the universe and us were, and still are inside "god" so, the female is one of the perfect presentation of "god"

    male and female he made them, in his image.

  • JW_Rogue
    JW_Rogue
    As is evident in creation, Jehovah lovingly set boundaries. He made both natural laws and moral laws to ensure that everything functions harmoniously.

    It is only "evident" if you have not studied biology or astronomy to see that things don't always work that way. Things appear orderly to us because we only live for a short time. In reality, life on Earth and the universe itself has been in a constant state of change since the beginning.



  • blondie
    blondie

    Yes, FedUp, that is an unintentional funny on my part. My mind was on my husband walking by in his jockeys. I told him about my faux pas and he said, "it would have been funny it you had left the "r" out of shirts."

    waton, JW Rogue, excellent comments out the narrow and uneducated concepts of the WTS.

  • flipper
    flipper

    I like this quote Blondie from the WT - " When fertilization involving eggs or sperm ( or both ) from someone not within the marital union occurs , this amounts to what the Bible terms porneia - sexual immorality. Those procedures are a gross misuse of the sexual organs. "

    Uh-huh. So I guess that means God, Jehovah - or whatever people call him - should have been disfellowshipped for impregnating the woman Mary- as she WAS married to Joseph at the time. I guess " God " or " Jehovah " is allowed to flout his own rules that he imposes on mankind. One of the many reasons I'm a practicing agnostic / atheist. Peace out, Mr. Flipper

  • blondie
    blondie

    Yes, flipper, this conclusion came to one day at a WT study but the few I shared it with could not make the mental connection....

  • stillin
    stillin

    Ah, yes. The "dented bread pan" concept of Adam and Eve's imperfection being passed down to successive generations. Any breeder of farm animals knows that those defective ones get a place on the dinner table, NOT used for breeding. Billions of successive lives victimized. Sad.

  • wifibandit
    wifibandit

    This topic of a substitution atonement component to the ransom (Jesus for Adam) was why Charles Russell split from Nelson H. Barbour (co-publisher of Herald of the Morning) and started to publish Zion’s Watch Tower and Herald of Christ’s Presence (July 1879, first issue)

    This can be shown with Proclaimers pg 46-47, but a better job is done by M. James Penton in Apocalypse Delayed pg.23-24. He explains it in a balanced way, in greater detail, and above all - Cites his sources in an index.

    One aspect not covered by WT literature that Penton shows, is how certain aspects of this Ransom doctrine lead to on of the big splits among the Bible Students. The so-called "New Covenant Schism". Apocalypse Delayed pg 40.

  • TheWonderofYou
    TheWonderofYou

    What I learned this week:
    ---------------------------------

    If man was created in gods image than WHY man so fast made problems?

    Answer: Because he didnt function in the role as chesspiece in the game of sovereignty.

    The Creator spoke to Adam and instructed him on how to show his obedience. Adam also learned how to take care of his needs and how to care for the animals and the land.

    1. God " instructed him on how to show his obedience." God is in the innerst a dictatorial god
    2. As dictator god he leads in a dictatorial style and makes order and wants us to be submissive slaves class members.
    3. As dictator "god" he is interested in his "Sovereignty" on the first place, its his highest goal, its the game of the unviverse, all have to take part and are chesspieces in the game of sovereinty.
    4. Adam sinned so fast because he didnt understand the lession in obedience, that he was part of big game.
    5. The universal family needs order and obedience.
    6. Jehovah is the universal family head that deserves respect and honor.
    7. "That perfect man would need to be loyal to Jehovah and be willing to give his life in exchange for doomed humanity." - mankind is doome
    8. Jehovah also instruct his son Jesus how to show obedience and to function, to live up to his role in the sovereignty game.

    19 Gratitude for the ransom should motivate us to do all we can to make others aware that they can benefit from that priceless gift. People need to know that the ransom is the means by which Jehovah lovingly offers all mankind the prospect of everlasting life. Still, the ransom accomplished even more than that. The next article will consider how Jesus’ sacrifice also addresses the moral issues that were raised by Satan back in the garden of Eden.

    priceless gift or offer?

    As without acceptance of god sovereignty the gift is worthless it remains an offer.



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