Matt 24:45 doubtful interpretation
sbf: particularly with the 1919 appearance of that end time feature, and " The world has ended, millions now living will never die" the main message of wtBtS inc.
Posts by waton
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52If you could pick out critical errors to the JWS religion what would it be ?
by Rocketman123 inmany that have come to this forum have left the jws religion and moved on with their lives but from a outsider's viewpoint what do think makes the jws religion wrong or incorrect as a active christian faith ?.
somethings come to mind such as its long continuous end times/armageddon soon doctrine which has really been a core doctrine for decades going right back to its beginning .. maybe they should have adopted the stance as other christian based faiths and adhered to jesus's own words when he said " no one knows of the time not even he ".
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waton
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What aspects do you view most favorably about the WT and/or its religion?
by Disillusioned JW ineven if you disapprove of much about the wt and/or its religion, what aspects do you view most favorably about the wt and/or its religion?
for me one of the things i view most favorably about the wt and its religion is its extremely strong insistence that jws never intentionally kill another human being.
i especially appreciate that regarding those who have been born, but i think some abortions of human embryos might be justifiable.
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waton
The pool of people, supposedly chaste, that are seeking marriage, mates. But, together with the conscientious objection to war duty already mentioned, also not a monopoly of the wt world. .
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If you could pick out critical errors to the JWS religion what would it be ?
by Rocketman123 inmany that have come to this forum have left the jws religion and moved on with their lives but from a outsider's viewpoint what do think makes the jws religion wrong or incorrect as a active christian faith ?.
somethings come to mind such as its long continuous end times/armageddon soon doctrine which has really been a core doctrine for decades going right back to its beginning .. maybe they should have adopted the stance as other christian based faiths and adhered to jesus's own words when he said " no one knows of the time not even he ".
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waton
wt sees itself as superior, chosen, because of right doctrine, the "truth" ---But: if their truth is false, that sinks their tacking sailboat.
Current total failure? the latest "last generation" loop.
Jesus said his contemporaries/ generation would not pass away, before the end of the [jewish temple] system. (all these things are fulfilled). so in his words, they might die later, and did. John of Patmos for example.
wt's "second fulfillment" scenario does not follow those parameters, contradicting Jesus.
wt prophecies, that The Anointed Generation will pass away at the beginning of the GT, not after Armageddon. and
we have not yet mentioned the 20 year overlap of 2 centenarians., since 1914, that expires in 2075.
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WT'S memory loss, minimizing the "memorial",
by waton infor those still interested in wt maneuvers, this past week's wt study re: ransom.
after the talking snake and consequences part: .
"john wrote more about the ransom" then others.
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waton
2. If Jesus included everyone in "anyone who partakes", then why did he institute the memorial with only his 11 apostles? Is there an indication that he invited everyone, and only his 11 apostles turned up?
Dw: Jesus, at that point had the right to everlasting life earth, which he was about to sacrifice. the 11 apostles had a firm hope of an earthly kingdom too, when jesus served the bread and wine to them. They would through that symbolism have the right to everlasting life on earth, forgiveness through the new covenant.
All partakers get the right to everlasting life on earth, not immortality in heaven, but not all are called to give that restored adamic (or Eve) perfection up in wt land, only 144 000 sealed once.
Jesus served the emblems to earthly hope "sheep". it behooves wt to do the same, to claim to be his followers.
sorry for split reply, got balled up in the premature yellow.
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WT'S memory loss, minimizing the "memorial",
by waton infor those still interested in wt maneuvers, this past week's wt study re: ransom.
after the talking snake and consequences part: .
"john wrote more about the ransom" then others.
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waton
There was a gap of one year between the events of John 6 and the institution of the memorial.
DW: 1) it is called "progressive revelation" and he also said, there are many things I should tell you, but you are not ready yes" or words to that effect
2. If Jesus included everyone in "anyone who partakes", then why did he institute the memorial with only his 11 apostles? Is there an indication that he invited everyone, and only his 11 apostles turned up?
answer: The passover was a family celebration, and that was his closest spiritual family.
just commenting, not endorsing the talking snake story's veracity.
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WT'S memory loss, minimizing the "memorial",
by waton infor those still interested in wt maneuvers, this past week's wt study re: ransom.
after the talking snake and consequences part: .
"john wrote more about the ransom" then others.
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waton
Vh: yeah, it is like a protection racket. you threaten people with the GT, created by the deity, then offer them a way ot by becoming slaves. The point of the Op was, that wt, in that "study", heralded John's writings as supreme on the ransom, but then developed amnesia when it comes to the key part: Jesus as quoted in John 6 on life through partaking.
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WT'S memory loss, minimizing the "memorial",
by waton infor those still interested in wt maneuvers, this past week's wt study re: ransom.
after the talking snake and consequences part: .
"john wrote more about the ransom" then others.
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waton
is there not a strong chain of steps in the application of the ransom? can you take, comunion, the Eucharist, the memorial denial ritual out of achieving it's goal?
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"My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?"
by Diogenesister incan anyone remember the reasoning the watchtower gave for jesus speaking these words?
if you have a reference that would be even better!.
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waton
The script writers must have gotten the plot wrong. It is very unlikely that the lead character would quote an ancient text verbatim, in his last breath, to prove he was fulfilling prophecy. unless
he really was worried about his credibility.
I like the way it left open the identity of the deity ,though. .
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"My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?"
by Diogenesister incan anyone remember the reasoning the watchtower gave for jesus speaking these words?
if you have a reference that would be even better!.
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waton
to fulfil a prophecy in the psalms. A self fulfilling, controlled "messianic prophecy, mentioned in connection / contrast with those he could not, like the dividing of the looted clothing, the intact leg bones.
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Then there was light.
by Earnest inthe universe came into being 13.8 billion years ago in the big bang.
after an initial flash, it went through a period known as the cosmic dark ages.
according to a new study, probing cosmic dawn, 250 to 350 million years after the big bang the first stars emerged bringing light to the cosmos.
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waton
Surtsy Island didn't exist before 1963.
SB: and already being colonized by life that started to profilate 4 billion years ago.
I worked in a coalmine once, where fossilized life forms were buried 1000+ meters below the surface. May be that carbon rich new layer on Surtsey will turn into coal too, and buried that deep.