It will drag on, it is not final. Rather than the ban'em all, it would have been interesting to have the individuals who write, authorize , order others to distribute, these hidden threats brought to justice, expose what, by whom is really taught and thought.
Posts by waton
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184Outcome - Banned in Russia - Final
by OrphanCrow ini just watched the live feed from the russian court room and followed the updates on the russian exjw forum.. just waiting for confirmation from other sources...but, it looks like the final (and expected) result is:.
banned.
which means that the wts property in russia now belongs to the russian state..
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UC Berkeley Reverses order cancellation of Ann Coulter speech
by blondie inuc berkeley orders cancellation of ann coulter speech.
officials at the university of california at berkeley on thursday reversed their decision to cancel a speech by conservative firebrand ann coulter.. the university had announced wednesday that it was canceling coulter’s appearance following several political protests in berkeley that turned violent.. but on thursday, the university said it had found a venue where it could hold the speech on may 2, instead of the original april 27 date.
however, a leader of the college republican group that originally invited coulter said the university was placing strict conditions on the event, and he said his group intended to reject the new terms.. before the reversal was announced, coulter had vowed to go ahead with an appearance anyway.. that probably would have put security officials on high alert and might have sparked another showdown in struggles over campus safety, student views and ideological openness.. “what are they going to do?
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waton
All these bans, violent protests to shut down discourse and debate, just shows the fragile reasons that the opposers stand on. can not stand to hear an opposing view expressed.
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Outcome - Banned in Russia - Final
by OrphanCrow ini just watched the live feed from the russian court room and followed the updates on the russian exjw forum.. just waiting for confirmation from other sources...but, it looks like the final (and expected) result is:.
banned.
which means that the wts property in russia now belongs to the russian state..
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waton
bad timing, russia did the ban on the day another banner was born, the one with the swastika banner.
a posthumous birthday present to Stalin's great foe?
outcome? history repeats itself. you will be judged the way you are judging. wt had it coming to them.
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What will happen if someone partake the wine and bread at memorial? Should we all do that?
by UBM101 in.
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d: I disagree with you; the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society did not make and could not have made a prediction in 1918
D: you are either blinded, or perhaps deliberately lie, distort/ obfuscate the truth about wtbts inc's past, Its' directors' past. . For the record, open the proclaimers book page 426. You have not dealt with any of the facts raised because you know , on all these subjects you are sunk. particularly the partaking issue that started it all.
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Blondie's Comments Will Not Hear at the 04-16-2017 WT Study (RANSOM)
by blondie inblondie’s comments you will not hear at the april 16, 2017 wt study (february 2017) (ransom).
https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/watchtower-study-february-2017/jesus-ransom-a-perfect-present/.
excellent general website: www.jwfacts.com .
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waton
I second your comments. Ransom not to repurchase loss, but promote wt ideas.
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What will happen if someone partake the wine and bread at memorial? Should we all do that?
by UBM101 in.
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djeggnogg: It's none of your business what Jehovah's Witnesses teach in this regard,
but it is, everyone's business. because it is wt's stated purpose to extend those teachings worldwide, and enforce them through harsh disciplinary measures, limited only by current local laws. (wt loves to influence lawmakers, and courts)
To the extent that these teachings are flawed, it is in everyone's interested to have these errors exposed. sooner rather than later. because millions of lives lived based on error, are not lives well lived and lived to their potential.
People deserve to be informed of that. or?
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What will happen if someone partake the wine and bread at memorial? Should we all do that?
by UBM101 in.
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djeggnogg: This article states that the lives of God's anointed ones that were alive when the sign began would overlap with the lives of those who would see the start of the great tribulation, this event being also a part of the sign.
These thoughts about "lives and being alive"overlapping are news to me. In that case, if you use birth age, and not "time served as anointed" as an overlapping criteria, you would have the long lived, plus the next freddy franz over and under lappers get you to 2125, another nice anniversary.
1914+ 99 ( ff 1) = 2013, + 99, ( ff 2) = 2112, and allowing for David's astute comment of even older anointed, like the 107 year olds in wt experiences, (allow for medical advances too) 1914 + 214 = 2128.= 2125-3. , and the GtT would then be just starting, the real fireworks yet to come. so: happy anniversaries, 2075, 2125, all possible within wt data. but
The wt anointed generation is not wrong because it is too long, no, because it is too short.
I know David well, and he did not look well delivering that anointed generation chart bit. and why would he.
P.S. Oddly, wt's 1918 prediction: "Millions now living will never die" had one element of bible "truth": If these millions were considered the generation. Jesus in effect said/ment . that the generation of the second fulfillment would never die, because the benevolent "sheep" must be part of the natural generation that sees past the end, ( all these things) which includes their favourable judgement to enter everlasting life.ha ha ah.
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What will happen if someone partake the wine and bread at memorial? Should we all do that?
by UBM101 in.
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,djeggnog, thank you for that response, you are taking the issues raised seriously enough to tackle them. It will take me time to work through them item by item.
re: Your Pluto classification analogy to wt teachings.-good- a subject close to my heart, and in which I was personally involved in a radio debate. The solar system is a non-biblical message from the creator, I believe, It has been stable for ~ 4 billion years, stable enough to allow life to start and continue to develop. that means Pluto likely was in its' present orbit for a long time. That orbit is a planetary orbit, conforming to the modified* Bode sequence, Pluto being ~twice as far from Uranus as Uranus is from Saturn, Saturn being ~ twice as far Jupiter as Jupiter is from the asteroids mean, .... so, to my mind, all the quibbling about size, grandstanding, is irrelevant, Pluto is in a legitimate planetary orbit tied to the Earth=10 ratios.
Similarly, the bible data define the entities wt is playing around with, and the various changing in their nomenclature, redefining the terms like "generation", changing types, antitypes, does not effect what the bible contains on these subjects.
I started a thread on The wt being wrong from A-Z on the anointed generation. somebody added that the bible is wrong from end to beginning too. to repeat, including some answers to your reply above:
Jesus stipulated that the generation would see all these things (Math 24-25) before it passes away.
Wt writers, however, who, as you correctly mentions, can not foresee the future, have taken it upon themselves however, to predict, and publish charts showing that the generation will not survive past the end, but will end, pass away, at the start of the great tribulation. The generation (according to Jesus) at that point in time,-has still to see the attack, the Judgement of the S&Gs and Armageddon. wt is ignoring, the very parameters that Jesus set for the generation. It is way longer than wt now teaches. even eternal,
It is the "anointing" of the generation that is the fly in the wt ointment.
Genesis 1:!: The Earth was formed out of material that was forged in 3 generations of exploding stars. It could not possibly have been created at the beginning, coming directly, as you seem to imply, out of the point in time, the Big Bang. the bible, and wt interpretation thereof, is off by a factor of 3 a mere 10 billion years. a lot compared to the ~100 years they are off now.
Of course these generations of stars might have been overlapping too, earlier remnants were used and compressed in later cataclysms until you have carbon, calcium, gold. But to use the questionable antique genealogies with life spans into the hundreds of years to buttress the wt stand on the overlapping anointed, is far fetched.
stick with what David said: Frederick Franz, died 1992, after ~78 years, another like him, but perhaps married, more content, longer lived, picks up there, another ~ >80 Years, 2075, here we come , again, already calculable, using wt writings. Micheal Jackson? who is he?
The strength of wt is not their logical arguments, adhering to bible facts, but that they are able to befuddle the members and keep them in line, facts notwithstanding. regardless.
I lost faith in wt's ability to project bible truth after the "Superior Authority" error revelation. 1960s special pioneers.
Truth: If there is a planet at position 10 (Earth) there will be a body (or two) at position 388, and there is: Pluto
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Could a petition to make shunning illegal work?
by aboveusonlysky inwe're currently watching leah remini's series about scientology and the main thing she seems to focus on is the shunning policies of the scientology organization which let's face it are very similar to jw procedure.. i was wondering with all that's in the media recently about bullying could a petition be put together to get the goverment to consider making religiously mandated shunning illegal?
has such a thing been tried before?.
https://petition.parliament.uk/help says the following - .
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I know you all are discussing about getting government laws to stop shunning. but:
Is not shunning wt style"- illegal work "already? In Math 18:17 Jesus compared the act, situation as treatment of a Tax collector. (or, more fun, a tax refunder). If the bible is legally binding on wt, total contempt for the excommunicated will carry risks for them. or?
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World's oldest person Emma Morano dies at 117
by jp1692 inthe world's oldest person has died in italy at the age of 117, reports say.. emma morano was born on 29 november 1899 in the piedmont region of italy.
she was officially the last person born in the 1800s still living.. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39610937.
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waton
jp, very good details, supplied by wt itself. to be fair, waton, redpilltwice, crazyguy, OneGenerationTwoGroups said as much.
That copy of the Awake is a classic, and we placed thousands of them. are liberal distributors of lies liable?