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  Were the apostles of the 'Anointed class' when they partook?

  by why144000 in

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  according to john 20:22 the apostles did not receive the holy spirit until after jesus was resurrected.

  wouldn't this make them part of 'the other sheep' when they partook of the bread and wine?.

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  waton

  So if the anointed are only the apostles present at the last supper, then only 11 or at most 12 were of the anointed and going to heaven? All the rest were staying on earth? blondi:

  At the time of the last supper, there could have been 500 "brothers",-- believers. but, the Passover being a family affair, only 12/11 of them were present in Jesus' inner circle. obviously it was meant to expand as he mentioned in Acts 1:7 to the distant part of the Earth.

  To strengthen the " you are an Earthling first before you become an anointed, take Rev 7, the 144 000 chapter. There the anointed are sealed out of the 12 tribes of Israel.

  According to written wt wisdom : "the 12 tribes consistently defined as all earthly, non-anointed people" yes, believe it or not, the 12 tribes of spiritual Israel are Earthly, and out of them come the anointed.

  earthly first, then partake, then become perhaps anointed.

  not endorsing just reporting.

  OTWO, you have to play with the card you have received, dealt, and we have those data in the bible, talking snake and all.
  
  
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  Were the apostles of the 'Anointed class' when they partook?

  by why144000 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  according to john 20:22 the apostles did not receive the holy spirit until after jesus was resurrected.

  wouldn't this make them part of 'the other sheep' when they partook of the bread and wine?.

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  waton

  Just the timeline I see in the bible.

  blondi, new to mi.

  fact is, even Jesus in his post-mortem discourses did not even then discourage the earthly hope among these early partakers. Shortly before his ascension, as recorded in Acts 1:6,7, the disciples were asking for their promised rule over the 12 tribes , understood by them to be on Earth, sitting on thrones, eating and drinking in that kingdom. And Jesus did then not contradict that idea, instead choose to make the comment about timing being in the "Father's" domain.
  
  
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  Were the apostles of the 'Anointed class' when they partook?

  by why144000 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  according to john 20:22 the apostles did not receive the holy spirit until after jesus was resurrected.

  wouldn't this make them part of 'the other sheep' when they partook of the bread and wine?.

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  waton

  no, the Other Sheep are actually the Gentile Christians, like Cornelius that were not of the fold of Israel, that was in the Law Covenant. so:

  All anointed ones, including Jesus, have to start out with an Earthly future. and could end up with the kingdom hope or covenant.

  The context shows that the apostles at the last supper , even after Jesus' resurrection, retained the earthly hope. therefore:

  The Emblems should be served and taken by all with an earthly hope, for the wine pictures the New Covenant, which is for forgiveness of sins (read it, Jeremiah 31). Then

  Let heavens decide whether you end up up there , or on Earth. Either way, to get everlasting life, you will have to partake sooner or later: read John 6. no partaking, no life.

  Jesus , and the anointed though, have to sacrifice, to give up everlasting life on earth (that they have by virtue of partaking, or by birth) to get immortality in heaven, whereas the OS retain it.

  P.S. : Of all people, the Other Sheep, living in the overlapping last days, should be partaking rather than the anointed. why? at least the anointed going up up in the rapture, die, paying the price of sin (if any) whereas the Earthly Class supposedly never dying (wt promise: Millions now living will never die) will never personally pay that price. so: partake, sooner or later to live!

  not endorsing, just pointing it out.
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  Money and Happiness

  by berrygerry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  wt has made a number of references to this alleged quote by j. paul getty:.

  “money doesn’t necessarily have any connection with happiness.

  nothing in my wt life brought more stress and anxiety than not having enough money.. this quote makes far more sense:.

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  waton

  A very broad question.

  If your happiness comes from work, and are paid by the hour, it is a win win situation, but if you hate the work, are underpaid, it is misery.

  If you have money, without having to give time in exchange, you can make things happen for you, that is why they call it happiness, you have it happening, by choice.
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  Money and Happiness

  by berrygerry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  wt has made a number of references to this alleged quote by j. paul getty:.

  “money doesn’t necessarily have any connection with happiness.

  nothing in my wt life brought more stress and anxiety than not having enough money.. this quote makes far more sense:.

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  waton

  What mind control thought does WT want its victims to think? Money is no good.. LLlfsm

  yeah, do wait not throw it in the street, even Wall Street, give it wtbts. Inc. we will plead your case for the resurrection once we get up there.
  
  
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  The Watchtower are Right About Blood...

  by cofty in

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  ... but, they fail to take note of one important detail.. i believe that if we are going to have any chance of reasoning with a jw about blood, this is the place we need to begin.. don't try to convince them that it was only a dietary law.

  it wasn't, and they will never go along with it.. don't tell them that saving a life is more important than obeying a law, even a seemingly trivial one.

  they take pride in obedience.

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  waton

  It is a good thing that they used nails (used nails?) which caused some bleeding, and the soldier pricked Jesus with a spear to see if he was already dead, (or unconscious), and the chest cavity emptied, or

  no blood would have been spilled, since the death on the stake/cross was by suffocation (breaking the supporting legs to hasten it).
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  Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear At The 4-9-2017 WT Study (PURPOSE)(FEBRUARY 2017)

  by blondie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  blondie’s comments you will not hear at the april 9, 2017 wt study (february 2017) (purpose).

  https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/watchtower-study-february-2017/gods-purpose-will-be-fulfilled/.

  excellent general website: www.jwfacts.com .

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  waton

  Are women created in God’s image? Or is there an exception?

  Blondi, thanks, yes they are. assuming that "god" is eternal, (because there always must have been time), and the universe started in a point of that time, then the universe and us were, and still are inside "god" so, the female is one of the perfect presentation of "god"

  male and female he made them, in his image.
  
  
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  When You See a JW Do You Get Flustered?

  by minimus in

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  i used to dread seeing a witness coming toward me.

  now i am quite comfortable and hope that they may say something to me..... does your blood pressure rise when you see a jw coming toward you?

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  waton

  No, they are absolutely no match for an informed observer, any possible theme will backfire on them bigtime, a hidden barb, seed planted for later blooming.
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  I'm 90% PIMO but events in Russia made me stop and think maybe Jehovah is real and helping

  by Isambard Crater in

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  i'm at the stage where i'd love a big scandal to come along showing clearly that the j.w's are not the true religion, but sometimes i get touched inside by various thoughts or events, the russian court trial being one of them.. i mean, j.w's are understandably fixated with attending the memorial, so why didn't the court say it will resume on monday or tuesday, instead setting wednesday 12 april as the date?

  part of me believes the comments from pro-j.w's that jehovah moved events so they could attend the memorial.. it seems the j.w's will not be banned, which makes my mind and heart wrestle between thinking jah's behind it, or maybe the ministry of justice is just woefully prepared compared to the superb australian royal commission team who did their homework.

  it surprises me the russians seemingly haven't done any homework..

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  waton

  pale emperor, do not complain, he allowed to get all the previous dates wrong, but this time from the 11 to 12 he got it right. finally. did not use the jw's GB, F&DS though, he let the Russian judges work instead. May be he should realize he was using the wrong channel before? l !! just missed the unlucky 13.
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  Florida's Key West settles JW's religious discrimination case

  by darkspilver in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  florida keys news, saturday 8 april 2017. key west to settle religious discrimination suit by former bus driver.

  the city of key west has reached an agreement to settle a federal lawsuit brought by a former city bus driver who claimed religious discrimination fueled his firing after he refused to work during the nudity-filled fantasy fest.. bobby walker jr. sued the city march 3, 2016, nearly three months after the equal employment opportunity commission dismissed his claim over his firing.

  he accused his bosses of mocking his religious beliefs and making derogatory comments about his race before firing him from the $13-an-hour job in retaliation when he complained.

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  waton

  is not a bus driver equivalent to a captain on a ship? to some extent responsible for the going ons on board?

  In another case a driver just parked the vehicle when things went wrong on board. How do you keep a measure of control if your vision gets blurred by genitalia all over? when things go south in the seating area? bsw, you can not go further south in the US than Key West, should call it Key South.